Started By
Message
re: Since football season has returned early, here's a refutation of 5 of Bama's title claims
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:51 pm to Bama Bird
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:51 pm to Bama Bird
1977 was a complete sham with ND going from 5th to 1st in an extremely close vote. BAMA was a force the entire year and destroyed Ohio State in the Sugar.
0
Posted on 6/26/23 at 1:56 pm to JetDawg
As others have said, the '41 claim almost certainly came about as an "It's so ridiculous that we didn't win it in '66 that we will pick a different year instead where it would be just as ridiculous to claim that we did win it" sort of thing. It really isn't explicable any other way when 1945 is still hanging around out there unclaimed.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:14 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
quote:
You're throwing stones as a USC "fan." Y'all started claiming 1939 during the Carroll years.
Unlike you, Metro (just a fan of Florida), I'm not only a fan of USC, but also a graduate of USC.
USC claimed 1939 in 2004. The Dickinson System was the most prestigious poll of its day back then.
The Dickinson System was the first to gain widespread national public and media acceptance as a "major selector", according to the NCAA Football Records Book prior to the establishment of the Associated Press poll in 1936. -- NCAA
USC has 6 unclaimed national titles in which they were voted #1: 1929, 1933, 1976, 1979, 2002, 2007.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:17 pm to Harvey Wallbanger
quote:
Let's do 9 of them.
Oh goody now let's do Tennessee's claims for 1940, 1950 and 1967.
Tennessee has 1 national title since integration. The same as BYU. Big time yikes.
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Oh goody now let's do Tennessee's claims for 1940, 1950 and 1967.
Yesssssir!! Especially 1967!!
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Oh goody now let's do Tennessee's claims for 1940, 1950 and 1967.
Tennessee has 1 national title since integration. The same as BYU. Big time yikes.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:25 pm to Harvey Wallbanger
quote:
Let's do 9 of them.
That means there are 9 to dispute, so thanks!
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:29 pm to Harvey Wallbanger
quote:
Let's do 9 of them.
1964
National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965
National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.
1973
National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.
1978
National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
Your post refutes itself.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:35 pm to Harvey Wallbanger
Tennessee has more dubious claims than Alabama imho
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:56 pm to JetDawg
quote:
UGA actually only claims 4 national titles -- I claim 8 on their behalf.**
UGA claims 1942. They did not win the national championship in 1942. Ohio State won the AP that year.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 2:59 pm to JetDawg
quote:
Unlike you, Metro (just a fan of Florida), I'm not only a fan of USC, but also a graduate of USC.
USC claimed 1939 in 2004. The Dickinson System was the most prestigious poll of its day back then.
The Dickinson System was the first to gain widespread national public and media acceptance as a "major selector", according to the NCAA Football Records Book prior to the establishment of the Associated Press poll in 1936. -- NCAA
USC has 6 unclaimed national titles in which they were voted #1: 1929, 1933, 1976, 1979, 2002, 2007.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:02 pm to JetDawg
To me there’s a difference between multiple teams having a legitimate claim to the title, and a completely dubious claim
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:07 pm to JetDawg
quote:
**Albeit, my claiming the other four aren't nearly as ridiculous as Bama claiming theirs, however.
Seems unbiased and clear headed.
Either way Alabama doubles UGA in titles, plebeian.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:35 pm to MacMan10
This fricking idiot literally thinks a person (Frank Dickinson) was a poll.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:37 pm to coachcrisp
You can explain why Alabama claims 1973 at the same time.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:39 pm to AU5000
quote:
You can explain why Alabama claims 1973 at the same time.
Because they were voted #1 in the Coaches poll?
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:39 pm to JetDawg
Claiming '41 is an absolute joke; dunno why we persist in claiming that one, it's an embarrassment. As for the other years, each of those claims are, at the least, reasonable...
The NCAA recognizes the following as National Champions:
1934 Minnesota (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
1930 Alabama, Notre Dame (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
1926 Alabama, Stanford (CFRA, HAF, NCF, HAF)
1925 Alabama (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
In all the years above, with the exception of '26 when Bama and Stanford played to a tie in the Rose Bowl, Alabama was the only undefeated team who won a bowl game (until the 1934 season, the Rose Bowl was the only bowl game).
As for 1934, this blog writer had bagged on Bama claims with retroactive selectors in previous years, but then bashes two contemporary ones (Dunkel & Williamson) because they're designed by a fan and a geologist? Think his primary objection to those two was because they selected Alabama. Strange he doesn't mention that four years earlier in 1930, Dunkel selected Notre Dame as National Champion over an undefeated Alabama team that won the Rose Bowl...
Also, some rankings were more biased against southern teams. In 1930, the Dickinson ranking system had ND #1, Washington State #2, and Alabama #3; Bama beat Washington State in the Rose Bowl that year 24-0...
The NCAA recognizes the following as National Champions:
1934 Minnesota (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
1930 Alabama, Notre Dame (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
1926 Alabama, Stanford (CFRA, HAF, NCF, HAF)
1925 Alabama (CFRA, HAF, NCF)
In all the years above, with the exception of '26 when Bama and Stanford played to a tie in the Rose Bowl, Alabama was the only undefeated team who won a bowl game (until the 1934 season, the Rose Bowl was the only bowl game).
As for 1934, this blog writer had bagged on Bama claims with retroactive selectors in previous years, but then bashes two contemporary ones (Dunkel & Williamson) because they're designed by a fan and a geologist? Think his primary objection to those two was because they selected Alabama. Strange he doesn't mention that four years earlier in 1930, Dunkel selected Notre Dame as National Champion over an undefeated Alabama team that won the Rose Bowl...
Also, some rankings were more biased against southern teams. In 1930, the Dickinson ranking system had ND #1, Washington State #2, and Alabama #3; Bama beat Washington State in the Rose Bowl that year 24-0...
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 6/26/23 at 3:50 pm to JetDawg
Let's look at just the first two years to see if they're weak claims...
1925 - Alabama finished that season with a 9-0 regular season record outscoring its opponents by a total of 277-7 before going on to beat a 10-0-1 Washington team 20-19 in the Rose Bowl. That Washington team outscored its opponents 464-39 during the regular season btw
1926 - Alabama went 9-0 during the regular season outscoring its opponents 242-20 before playing 9-0 Stanford to a 7-7 tie in the Rose Bowl. That Stanford team finished the regular season 10-0 outscoring it's opponents by a total of 261-66 btw
In 1925 Dartmouth played a schedule that included two teams that were considered powers at the time...University of Chicago and Harvard but didn't play a bowl game. Alabama dominated a schedule that included Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, and Mississipi State among others before beating a power house Washington team in the Rose Bowl
In 1926 Alabama dominated a similar schedule before playing a power house Stanford team that had an equally valid national championship claim to a 7-7 tie in the Rose Bowl.
I realize you're having fun trolling but just in case you're making a serious argument I'm struggling to see how these two title claims are bogus unless your argument is that both 1925 Dartmouth and 1926 Stanford played vastly superior schedules those seasons.
1925 - Alabama finished that season with a 9-0 regular season record outscoring its opponents by a total of 277-7 before going on to beat a 10-0-1 Washington team 20-19 in the Rose Bowl. That Washington team outscored its opponents 464-39 during the regular season btw
1926 - Alabama went 9-0 during the regular season outscoring its opponents 242-20 before playing 9-0 Stanford to a 7-7 tie in the Rose Bowl. That Stanford team finished the regular season 10-0 outscoring it's opponents by a total of 261-66 btw
In 1925 Dartmouth played a schedule that included two teams that were considered powers at the time...University of Chicago and Harvard but didn't play a bowl game. Alabama dominated a schedule that included Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, and Mississipi State among others before beating a power house Washington team in the Rose Bowl
In 1926 Alabama dominated a similar schedule before playing a power house Stanford team that had an equally valid national championship claim to a 7-7 tie in the Rose Bowl.
I realize you're having fun trolling but just in case you're making a serious argument I'm struggling to see how these two title claims are bogus unless your argument is that both 1925 Dartmouth and 1926 Stanford played vastly superior schedules those seasons.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 4:12 pm to JetDawg
There was a time when some dude, turd_in miami maybe?, would write up a War and Peace long post about how none of Bama's titles were legit. I think he may have counted 1992. Maybe.
Page 3 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News