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Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:42 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Dumb argument. Each year is different and Manziel may have not won the Heisman during another year.
No college QB who won the game's award for being the best individual player should be below any QB who did not. Pretty straightforward.
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quote:I agree with this though. I'm not sure Manziel should be as low as 35 but assuming he can play even close to how he played this past year then he will move up.
For instance, AJ McCarron over Cam Newton is a complete joke. Brad Smith over Manziel? Not even worthy of discussion.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 1:47 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:52 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Hell. fricking. no.
Manziel and Cam are on a different level than Tebow
Jeezus Christ. 
Cam, Tebow
Manziel
In the next two seasons that could change but right now no, you can't say Manziel is on a different level than Tim fricking Tebow.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 2:08 am to CockRocket
Sure I can. Manziel is already a better passer than Tebow ever has been and almost certainly ever will be. Manziel is faster than Tebow and a better open-field runner. Most importantly, Manziel did what he did with significantly less talent around him.
Outside of a national title (a team accomplishment), there is no tangible measure by which Tim Tebow is or was a better football player than Manziel. Both player have a Heisman, and Manziel is a more gifted athlete from the QB position.
Outside of a national title (a team accomplishment), there is no tangible measure by which Tim Tebow is or was a better football player than Manziel. Both player have a Heisman, and Manziel is a more gifted athlete from the QB position.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 2:38 am to WestCoastAg
No way in hell is Aj is above Newton.
Put Newton in a Bama uniform, he still dominates. Put Aj in a Auburn uniform? Nah. No offense to Aj whatsoever because he has one of the best if not the best resume for a college quarterback, but his best play of the 2012 was a screen pass to Yeldon in the LSU game. I think that play is a great representation of his college career. Safe and conservative, give the ball to the superstar (TR, Yeldon), and then sit back and watch. Although he does have moments of shine (the pass to Cooper in the GA game comes to mind), there's no way he's a better quarterback than Cam Newton.
Put Newton in a Bama uniform, he still dominates. Put Aj in a Auburn uniform? Nah. No offense to Aj whatsoever because he has one of the best if not the best resume for a college quarterback, but his best play of the 2012 was a screen pass to Yeldon in the LSU game. I think that play is a great representation of his college career. Safe and conservative, give the ball to the superstar (TR, Yeldon), and then sit back and watch. Although he does have moments of shine (the pass to Cooper in the GA game comes to mind), there's no way he's a better quarterback than Cam Newton.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 2:41 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:14 am to GCTiger11
As I said in another thread, Cam Newton had a similar career to Barry Sanders at Oklahoma State. Both basically had one season careers. It's really hard to rank the careers of players like that.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:15 am to dawgfan24348
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List is horrid
this
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:15 am to WestCoastAg
Murray, but neither Wilson or Mallett. List is garbage.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:18 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Sure I can. Manziel is already a better passer than Tebow ever has been and almost certainly ever will be. Manziel is faster than Tebow and a better open-field runner. Most importantly, Manziel did what he did with significantly less talent around him.
Outside of a national title (a team accomplishment), there is no tangible measure by which Tim Tebow is or was a better football player than Manziel. Both player have a Heisman, and Manziel is a more gifted athlete from the QB position.
That's debatable.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:18 am to Bench McElroy
quote:
As I said in another thread, Cam Newton had a similar career to Barry Sanders at Oklahoma State. Both basically had one season careers. It's really hard to rank the careers of players like that.
Exactly why Manziel should NOT be nearly as high as David Greene, Aaaron Murray, or Chase Daniel. Also, to have Cam not be in the top 5 is crazy.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:22 am to IT_Dawg
David Greene at 31 is BS. 42 wins (was the NCAA record at the time), an SEC Championship, and is the SEC's all-time leading passer.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 6:56 am to Crowknowsbest
But it's not about wins. It's about running in circles and airing out the ball and such and such. These agnes fans are really something.
By their logic wouldn't Steve McNair be the greatest of all-time?
By their logic wouldn't Steve McNair be the greatest of all-time?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:05 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:exactly, and with all the shite that went on with him, only Auburn fans respect his time there.
Its clearly putting a great deal of stock in a QBs college careers. If Newton had have been there for more than one year, he would probably be number 1.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:08 am to RollTide1987
quote:Of course.
Would you put Pat Sullivan, a Heisman Trophy winner, above Peyton Manning?
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:11 am to TT9
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only Auburn fans respect his time there.
As clearly evidenced by this thread.
I never thought anyone could give PEEJ a run for his money for the dumbest poster on this site but you are trying hard and getting real close. Congrats
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:13 am to RandySavage
But you're the idiot that fell for my troll job. Burn on you 
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:43 am to IT_Dawg
quote:
Exactly why Manziel should NOT be nearly as high as David Greene, Aaaron Murray, or Chase Daniel. Also, to have Cam not be in the top 5 is crazy.
But shouldn't Cam be behind Greene, Murray, and Daniel. His one year is the EXACT reason, right?
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 7:45 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:51 am to LBC
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Johnny had 2 All-American Tackles and an All-American defensive end to help him out on D. Name one player of that quality on VT's football 1999 football team not named Micheal Vick.
THIRTY PLACE DIFFERENTIAL.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:53 am to USMC Gators
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That's debatable.
Tebow had superb defenses.
TAMU's 2012 defense ranked similarly to 2010 AU--giving up more yards and slightly less points.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 7:59 am to WestCoastAg
Is this based on talent or production?
Jamarcus is 10x the talent of Aj
Jamarcus is 10x the talent of Aj
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