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Posted on 7/15/19 at 4:58 am to Herman Frisco
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I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I believe John 14-6.
That says nothing. Faith is nothing without "walking the walk". "The greatest of these is love" and "whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers" are far more important in my view. I see little of that in Christianity and Christians.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 7:02 am to jimdog
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None of this made sense or is applicable to Saban
He hasn’t gotten filthy rich off of his players?
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When has Saban done anything other than live his faith?
Let’s start with his world class jerk treatment of reporters, staff, assistant coaches, players thrown under the bus...sound righteous?
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Because it is personal, humbling and therefore real to him.
Ask Maria Taylor.
His life’s worth of evidence reveals one truth, he will do and say anything to win. If that ain’t Christ-like I don’t know what is.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:16 am to tygerphan
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Ask Maria Taylor.
you talking about the woman who said that she didn't have much of a problem with Saban getting frustrated at her question?
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He hasn’t gotten filthy rich off of his players?
He has gotten filthy rich because he is good at what he does. Furthermore, he has helped many, many players become filthy rich.
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Let’s start with his world class jerk treatment of reporters, staff, assistant coaches, players thrown under the bus...sound righteous?
you sound extremely sensitive.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:31 am to jimdog
I love what Saban said.
Too many times, we wait for miracles to happen. I love prayer, and sometimes, it's the only thing you can do; however, we rarely take it upon ourselves to get going and be or use the gift the good lord gave us.
I got in a great conversation with a man from Chattanooga on the plane the other day. He was a born-again Christian, and talked about how his new relationship with Jesus gave him so much joy. I liked hearing about it. I told him about mine, and how it seemed to differ from his.
The thing that I harped on was, how much I hated organized religion in the south nowadays. It's hypocrisy at its finest.
Pastors making 300k a year. Churches looking like basketball arenas. Small groups that function as drinking clubs. Acting as if your marriage is holier than thou, but when the Ashley Madison data breach happened, the most active users were in Alabama and in Mississippi.
If churches were to act on their primary purpose, they'd have the following:
(1) No more than 200 members each. This way, they'd have a legitimate family connection with each other, and the clergy. The personal relationships would also breed accountability.
(2) They'd each have an established, charitable cause. I'm not talking about a "mission trip" to China where you preach at someone in a foreign language and leave; rather, spending money and time with a singular school in the local community, where you help a group of kids who otherwise wouldn't have the same opportunities as others and help them reach their potential in the classroom. Let college be more than a dream. That's an actual miracle.
(3) Set baseline charitable donation benchmarks for all religious organizations. Much like revenue goals for a REIT, it can be percentage based to equalize income discrepancy. It is an absolute sham that some of the head ministers on Peachtree Road in Atlanta make so much money. I'm sorry, but if your profession in life is dedicated to the lord and service, income at that level is something you forgo.
The close-knit attachment southern college football fanbases have with religion is also disenchanting. The hypocrisy of getting drunker than a sailor on gameday, turning a blind-eye to having money funneled through to recruit through churches to protect the money trail, but them claiming that everyone else who doesn't show up (hungover) to church is going to burn in a hell-fire is both laughable and nauseating at the same time.
We are all sinners. So the disillusionment of "God, sweet tea, and the SEC," makes me sick.
If you believe that we are all inherently not as good as the lord, but strive to improve and be both a gift to ourselves and others, you love what Saban said- regardless of what his group of paid student athletes does to yours on Saturdays.
Too many times, we wait for miracles to happen. I love prayer, and sometimes, it's the only thing you can do; however, we rarely take it upon ourselves to get going and be or use the gift the good lord gave us.
I got in a great conversation with a man from Chattanooga on the plane the other day. He was a born-again Christian, and talked about how his new relationship with Jesus gave him so much joy. I liked hearing about it. I told him about mine, and how it seemed to differ from his.
The thing that I harped on was, how much I hated organized religion in the south nowadays. It's hypocrisy at its finest.
Pastors making 300k a year. Churches looking like basketball arenas. Small groups that function as drinking clubs. Acting as if your marriage is holier than thou, but when the Ashley Madison data breach happened, the most active users were in Alabama and in Mississippi.
If churches were to act on their primary purpose, they'd have the following:
(1) No more than 200 members each. This way, they'd have a legitimate family connection with each other, and the clergy. The personal relationships would also breed accountability.
(2) They'd each have an established, charitable cause. I'm not talking about a "mission trip" to China where you preach at someone in a foreign language and leave; rather, spending money and time with a singular school in the local community, where you help a group of kids who otherwise wouldn't have the same opportunities as others and help them reach their potential in the classroom. Let college be more than a dream. That's an actual miracle.
(3) Set baseline charitable donation benchmarks for all religious organizations. Much like revenue goals for a REIT, it can be percentage based to equalize income discrepancy. It is an absolute sham that some of the head ministers on Peachtree Road in Atlanta make so much money. I'm sorry, but if your profession in life is dedicated to the lord and service, income at that level is something you forgo.
The close-knit attachment southern college football fanbases have with religion is also disenchanting. The hypocrisy of getting drunker than a sailor on gameday, turning a blind-eye to having money funneled through to recruit through churches to protect the money trail, but them claiming that everyone else who doesn't show up (hungover) to church is going to burn in a hell-fire is both laughable and nauseating at the same time.
We are all sinners. So the disillusionment of "God, sweet tea, and the SEC," makes me sick.
If you believe that we are all inherently not as good as the lord, but strive to improve and be both a gift to ourselves and others, you love what Saban said- regardless of what his group of paid student athletes does to yours on Saturdays.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 8:35 am
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:35 am to Roaad
The Sabans have donated a tremendous amount of money to their church in Tuscaloosa as well as other charities. Whether he has a ton of money or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is he DID donate it.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:39 am to Roaad
quote:Dr. Kevin Elko at his finest!
“How do you pray?
Because this is the difference...
Do you pray to be blessed?
OR...
Do you pray to be the blessing?”
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:41 am to I-59 Tiger
He seems serious about it and, based on all accounts, contributes both his time and money to it. He's clearly not perfect (obviously don't need to go down the 'none of us are' path as it's an elementary tenant of Christianity), but he seems to care about it. It would make me extremely uneasy to question someones relationship with God and with their attempts to battle their own demons/shortcomings without knowing them personally and knowing how much they truly care and work at it, because I think all of us can attest to having recurring problems that it might appear from afar we aren't working on but are just recurring struggles that we truly are working to fix. Maybe he doesn't care about coming across as an arse, maybe he struggles with it.
I know for a fact he's said on multiple occasions it's one of his biggest personal flaws and he almost always ends up going home, watching himself and feeling ashamed about it. And that having grandkids helped him mellow a bit in terms of snapping back at people (and that's absolutely true).
Either way, guy is way more complex than the black & white brush that he is usually painted with.
I know for a fact he's said on multiple occasions it's one of his biggest personal flaws and he almost always ends up going home, watching himself and feeling ashamed about it. And that having grandkids helped him mellow a bit in terms of snapping back at people (and that's absolutely true).
Either way, guy is way more complex than the black & white brush that he is usually painted with.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/15/19 at 8:45 am to JohnnyU
You are looking in the wrong places. God’s love shines through Christians everywhere. But everyone who claims to be a Christian is not. You will know them by their works. Faith without works is dead.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:13 am to JohnnyU
quote:That's just not so. The relationship is the core concept of his message. If you trust and believe in Jesus Christ as your savior, the rest is basically a natural path.
Most who profess a relationship with Jesus have little concept of his teachings.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:14 am to JohnnyU
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That says nothing. Faith is nothing without "walking the walk". "The greatest of these is love" and "whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers" are far more important in my view. I see little of that in Christianity and Christians.
Many Christians don't do much for Christianity, sure. But if you really don't see the work of Christians, it's because you're not looking or you're only seeing what you want to see.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:31 am to Herman Frisco
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Faith without works is dead.
Not what the New Testament says... faith alone defines Christianity, but ... from faith will inevitable come “works.” Works by themselves do not suffice.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:38 am to Pettifogger
If you want to know why Nick Saban is successful, watch that entire speech. Its about an hour, but it is well worth it. Faith is a small part of the talk...he goes into some detail about discipline, leadership, etc...it really is awesome.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:44 am to tygerphan
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He hasn’t gotten filthy rich off of his players?
Has Orgeron? Malzahn? What does a coach's salary have to do with anything?
So basically ALL coaches at the FBS are bad because they're all millionaires?
Not getting the connection.
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Let’s start with his world class jerk treatment of reporters, staff, assistant coaches, players thrown under the bus...sound righteous?
That's weird because his players and assistants keep coming back to work for him...multiple times.
His players also credit him for much of their success.
Most reporters respect him. You'll hear him say this week, like he has the past 10 Media Days, specifically thanking the media for what they do.
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Ask Maria Taylor.
She said he actually apologized before he even left the stadium that night. She said she respected that more because he did it before the media storm about it, so he wasn't doing it because of any backlash.
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His life’s worth of evidence reveals one truth, he will do and say anything to win. If that ain’t Christ-like I don’t know what is.
The people that know him personally disagree with you.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 10:45 am to Jacknola
James 2–14-17
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“What use is it my brethren, if a man says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
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“If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of food,
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and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed, and be filled, and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
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Even so faith , if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
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“What use is it my brethren, if a man says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15
“If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of food,
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and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed, and be filled, and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
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Even so faith , if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 11:50 am to secuniversity
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The people that know him personally disagree with you.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 12:13 pm to Roaad
Saban is about as much of a Christian as hugh “hookers” freeze
Posted on 7/15/19 at 12:13 pm to Roaad
So reading this thread it would be fun to compare the devout Christians with the Trump supporters
Posted on 7/15/19 at 12:14 pm to Roaad
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Do you pray to be blessed?
OR...
Do you pray to be the blessing?”
He's right you know.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 1:31 pm to tygerphan
Tygerphan, Go back under your rock! You're the racist and in spades too! Saban has done more for black folks than most black folks have. Now get!
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