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re: One thing this board missed about the Law in California
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:43 am to RB10
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:43 am to RB10
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The only thing the law does is make it legal in Cali for these players to make themselves ineligible within the NCAA
And I presume, the team.
If the star player on the team goes and does this, gets an agent, signs a deal, whatever, and then plays, does the team become disqualified and forfeit any games? If an Ed O'Bannon or Matt Leinert decide to do this, does that ruin an chemistry on the team as well?
I mean, Cali law can make it legal for me to shoot my mother, I still have to deal with my father and siblings.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:46 am to MrAUTigers
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"come to X college. We can get you this amount in endorsements".
It would open up an entirely new problem with recruiting.
but that's nothing new. It's the boosters, not the college, that entice and pay the athletes now, and they would still recruit and pay them if endorsement deals were approved.
edit to say I don't think it's going to happen right now. Eventually, yes, but not when one or two states are the only states pushing this.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:50 am to RT1941
The law itself doesn’t matter so much as what it’s setting up for. California and other states want the NCAA to rule players ineligible as it then gives cause for states (not just private citizens) to then take the NCAA to court for anti-trust violations (of which the NCAA is absolutely going to be found in violation of; the whole position of the NCAA and it’s membership is a farce meant to pad the salaries of Presidents, ADs, and Coaches and the bubble is inevitably going to burst).
This is going to be the death of the NCAA as we know it, the question is does the whole mother get burned to the ground or do they do the responsible thing and remodel in the Olympic image?
This is going to be the death of the NCAA as we know it, the question is does the whole mother get burned to the ground or do they do the responsible thing and remodel in the Olympic image?
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:51 am to MrAUTigers
Agreed. The bidding wars would get even more ridiculous since it would be out in the open. This is a huge can of worms, cockroaches, and all kinds of other shite that is opening here. I don’t think anyone even knows all of the effects this will cause.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:55 am to BQAG02
The simple fact of the matter is there is too much money involved now, things can’t stay the way they are. So, college athletics gets to adapt or die, just like it always has. New rules and new allowances will be made and new ways of violating those rules without getting caught will surface and in 50 years god willing we can read exposes about how the sport and programs changed and survived and grew into something better
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:57 am to CivilTiger83
I was raised by folks who went through 2 World Wars and 1 Great Depression. The rise of the middle class was based greatly on trust busting, ending company towns, and many other wealth consolidation issues supported by the Robber Barons.
I know I am older than most on here but am well aware of what truly unregulated capitalism gets you.
If you project American history from the late 1800's to China of the early 2000's it is not hard to see the history rewriting itself? "Greed is Good" has replaced "Noblesse Oblige" in the USA since the early 80's when MBA's became the degrees of choice over degrees in engineering, medicine, architecture, and education.
That is not a real political board, just a bunch of sheep braying about how good it is as they are led to the slaughterhouse.
Real political discourse should begin with civility and shutting down BOTH the far left and far right crazy people. It should also begin with eliminating corporate money in vote buying when a corporation can not cast a vote by itself in any election booth in America.
I know I am older than most on here but am well aware of what truly unregulated capitalism gets you.
If you project American history from the late 1800's to China of the early 2000's it is not hard to see the history rewriting itself? "Greed is Good" has replaced "Noblesse Oblige" in the USA since the early 80's when MBA's became the degrees of choice over degrees in engineering, medicine, architecture, and education.
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Go to the political board
That is not a real political board, just a bunch of sheep braying about how good it is as they are led to the slaughterhouse.
Real political discourse should begin with civility and shutting down BOTH the far left and far right crazy people. It should also begin with eliminating corporate money in vote buying when a corporation can not cast a vote by itself in any election booth in America.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:58 am to tylerdurden24
Another issue that is eventually going to happen is that a player or players will sue the ncaa about the 3 year out of high school rule before a football player can go pro. Baseball and basketball players can go pro directly out of high school. I understand the fact that most high school football players aren't prepared for the rigors of the NFL, but that's not the point, and there will be some that could do it. Herschel Walker comes to mind, and more high school players are fit and ready now than 39 years ago.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:04 am to Cheese Grits
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Interesting it is California... The Pacific Coast Conference was shut down for rampant cheating in the 50's and reformed as the PAC a few years later.
Hey, Larry Scott can't pay for that office spacein Silicon Valley without playoff money.
Seems as if they've reached the "any means necessary" point
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:05 am to Cheese Grits
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Communism and Socialism do not work...pure capitalism does not either.
At the risk of getting this thread moved to the monkey house that is the Poli Board, I agree with you. No pure ideological system works. Compromises must be made to provide the most benefit to society. Our founders recognized this need for compromise, and set up a government accordingly. Government should always be a struggle, and we should embrace that instead of vilifying those that don't agree with us.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:05 am to oligarchgator
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It doesn't force schools to pay the players directly. Schools paying players directly would be extremely tricky and complicated with Title IX.
Almost everybody gets this
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It does open the door for payments from boosters but whatever
Whatever? That's not the intent of the law and you know that.It creates a huge loophole that will CFB and basketball into a fiasco.
Olympic model? These guys actually accomplished something and had every right to capitalize on their name PLUS they weren't getting a free education,monthly stipends,health care and an opportunity to make MILLIONS after leaving their form of amateurism.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:08 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Government should always be a struggle, and we should embrace that instead of vilifying those that don't agree with us.
A-MEN brother
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:12 am to John Milner
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Another issue that is eventually going to happen is that a player or players will sue the ncaa about the 3 year out of high school rule before a football player can go pro. Baseball and basketball players can go pro directly out of high school.
The problem with that.......the NFL has the rule about draft eligibility.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:14 am to RD Dawg
Roll this out nationally and USC becomes the easiest place in the country to recruit. Also helps Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, UGA, Miami.
For places like Clemson, OU, and Bama with national profiles but no nearby major metro areas it's probably a wash.
For places like Clemson, OU, and Bama with national profiles but no nearby major metro areas it's probably a wash.
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:22 am to tylerdurden24
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the ground or do they do the responsible thing and remodel in the Olympic image?
Olympic image? Not even close to a valid comparison.None of those amatures who weren't in college got free housing,free medical care, education, monthly stipends and most didn't have the opportunity to make millions in their chosen sport.There were exceptions like boxing and basketball but most Olympic sports didn't have much in regards to professional leagues or organizations.
This isn't "adapting" to anything.It creating a loophole that will turn CFB into the wild west.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:28 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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No pure ideological system works.
:kige:
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Compromises must be made to provide the most benefit to society.
Capitalism tempered with human components seems to be the best of many possibilities. Interestingly, Ben Franklin used the native Indian societies of the upper Northeast in framing the design for American government.
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Government should always be a struggle, and we should embrace that instead of vilifying those that don't agree with us.
Praise Jesus, wish more could come to that epiphany!
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:51 am to WildTchoupitoulas
As an old fart with family in KY I have seen that firsthand.
Some brave MF's
Some dumb MF's
Snakes are there to control rats and mice from infecting you feed grain. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone. If you pester them and they bite you, you are the dumbass.
Some brave MF's
Some dumb MF's
Snakes are there to control rats and mice from infecting you feed grain. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone. If you pester them and they bite you, you are the dumbass.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:55 am to RD Dawg
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None of those amatures who weren't in college got free housing,free medical care, education, monthly stipends and most didn't have the opportunity to make millions in their chosen sport.
Oh good lord. None of what you just laid out is “free.” Athletes earn their housing and their tuition and their stipends by training for 40+ hours a week and then competing on behalf of the universities which in turn sell this product and it’s entertainment value through merchandise, tickets, and tv contracts.
And that’s been perfectly fine until the revenue coming in and the salaries being generated have become so obnoxious that the labor pool has a right to question if their market value is being artificially limited to just these educational expenses being covered. Conventional wisdom indicates that, yeah, their 40+ hours spent on their sport probably stands to be worth more than what they’re currently allowed to receive. At the very least, they should not be restricted from testing the free market as they currently are (FTR this is all I want to see; I’m not interested in watching schools write checks to individual athletes, just let them profit off of their own name and image if a market for such exists).
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:57 am to tylerdurden24
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Athletes earn their housing and their tuition and their stipends by training for 40+ hours a week and then competing on behalf of the universities which in turn sell this product and it’s entertainment value through merchandise, tickets, and tv contracts.
:kige:
The difference is, as non monetary compensation it can not be divided as compensation to those making claims (agents, lawyers, boosters, girlfriends, and assorted financial leeches).
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:57 am to chillmonster
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Roll this out nationally and USC becomes the easiest place in the country to recruit. Also helps Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, UGA, Miami.
Nah.It'll just help the schools that have alumni lined up to pay these kids.Its obviously not the intent but that's whats gonna happen.
Heck,I agree with the INTENT of the law and have no problem in general with a kid who has earned his fame and might want to capitalize on it. AJ Green and Todd Gurley both were suspended for autograph signings and I thought it was BS.
As the saying goes,the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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