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There is far more evidence that he is an actual propagandist than there ever was for JB, who was deservedly banned along with all of his alts.

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Horsh.t.

Tiger posts are overwhelmingly factual and it might be annoying - certainly even I get tired of it - but him posting constantly actual events is nowhere near JB consistently posting BS from unreliable twitter accounts and consistently lying about events. And that's before we start talking about his weird, creepy backstory, methodology, and positions - they ain't the same. And few, if any, Dman, think otherwise.

If you want to post things that are flat out wrong, you have that right, and you, Vol, take full advantage of it. It's not the same as open lying and the BS that comes from it.

Christ, this board is supposed to be a debate that represents educational institutions, even it is over athletics. It's amazing how dull some of ya'll are.

Let me help you out, big guy.

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BREAKING NEWS: LEOPOLD KNOWS (based on decades of military experience and knowledge obtained from halfway reliable news sources) UKRAINE HAS AN ADVANTAGE

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So Ukraine is helping the US and now the Saudis in the Iran war.


Volsquatch will be here later to either say this is a lie or explain how it’s bad.

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The Ukrainians are actively helping us, saving the lives of our own troops, and the Trump administration is still trying to pin him losing in 2020 on them.

Jesus Christ this administration sucks.

Seriously?!

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Eventually they won't if Russian recruitment can stay at or above casualty levels.

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They’ve been above it for four years now, Vol, and they couldn’t do squat. You think something is going to change now???

The Ukrainians have now neutralized Russia’s only real remaining advantage. I’d argue it’s now a real possibility that Ukraine can actually‘win’ this war, depending upon how you define ‘win.’

Go easy on TexasAg. The Aggies got routed yesterday against Houston, so he's still recovering, as you can see:

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That was the claim being discussed. I provided a counter point that we will want to produce our own drones vs rely on anyone else (much less Ukraine) for them.

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Apparently, you don't realize there's a difference between developing and production.

But, hey, keep button mashing. It's going over real well here.

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How many times has this refinery been hit now? Answer: As many times as the Ukrainians want


Is no one going to ask why they have to keep hitting it?

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No, because one can actually do research as to what's going on.

The Ukrainians keep hitting it because, according to a Google search, Saratov produces vital fuel for the Russian war effort, making it a central target. That, and since the Russians keep repairing it for the same reason, means it's going to keep getting hit.

You're welcome.

Great. And the day that Europe decides they want to be a military power will be a military power. CitizenK just pointed out something I've said twice on this board, that Europe is producing more artillery shells than we do right now, and they are about to start producing WAAAAYYYY more drones.

Christ, the EU has a larger population and economy than we do and even with their demographic problems they will be a force to be reckoned with for generations to come.

All of this points to revising the agreement, not pulling out of it like temperamental jackasses.

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Isn't that predicated on an assumption that we won't still be friends and allies with the European countries?

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Right now, I'd argue that being friends with anybody is not a given, and that's not a joke. But it goes deeper than just that - I've got friends who would abandon me in a fistfight, and Europe and the rest of the world have been looking for an alternative to us for some time now and we stupidly keep giving them a reason to.

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If a war with China were to kick off over Tiawan, would Europe help us? I don't know but I do know that NATO doesn't have anything to do with Tiawan.

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If China attacked an American base or asset, then they would be obligated to. Granted, I'm sure it would be based on certain circumstances, of which I'm not an expert on, but, yeah, they're going to have to at least pick a side and being in the same security pact is a good place to start. I mean, it's kind of like Europe asking for our help with Russia when they have only attacked Ukraine - the relationship actually matters.

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What are we getting TODAY for our massive investment into NATO?

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What, you mean besides the fall of the Soviet Union? Besides getting an enormous amount of help after 9/11? Or the fact that there is a war going on right now that is openly against a 'unipolar world,' i.e. one built by the Americans and directly benefiting us? One that directly benefits us, and a stable of friends, or at least reliable work companions that are inclined to follow us and not China, Russia, or any other penny-ante dictator?

People keep saying that wars are a thing of the past, especially force-on-force wars, and yet they keep happening. People have stated that there's an 'end to history' and that democracy is the only option, and yet there are billions of people who either don't agree with that or are actively working against it.

The answer isn't to end NATO. The answer is to amend it, and get our allies to hold their own weight. This war with Russia and Ukraine was a good way to get the Europeans to see that, it's just a shame Americans don't see the value when we're the ones benefiting from it.