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One thing this board missed about the Law in California
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 9/11/19 at 8:58 am
It doesn't force schools to pay the players directly. Schools paying players directly would be extremely tricky and complicated with Title IX.
What it does is allow players to seek their own commercial opportunities. They can sign endorsement deals....They can do commercials for the car wash owned by local alumni...they can sell autographs and jerseys etc etc. It does open the door for payments from boosters but whatever. If boosters want to pay players, let them do it. However, there will have to be checks put in place for gambling and nefarious activity.
This law is not going to kill the NCAA. This law is basically a codified version of the Olympic Model for which Bill C has advocated.
the Olympic Model in College Sports by Bill C
California is doing the right thing. SEC states better get over their red state nonsense and jump on board before California schools start taking all the recruits. This is progress....this is the free market....This is Capitalism.
What it does is allow players to seek their own commercial opportunities. They can sign endorsement deals....They can do commercials for the car wash owned by local alumni...they can sell autographs and jerseys etc etc. It does open the door for payments from boosters but whatever. If boosters want to pay players, let them do it. However, there will have to be checks put in place for gambling and nefarious activity.
This law is not going to kill the NCAA. This law is basically a codified version of the Olympic Model for which Bill C has advocated.
the Olympic Model in College Sports by Bill C
California is doing the right thing. SEC states better get over their red state nonsense and jump on board before California schools start taking all the recruits. This is progress....this is the free market....This is Capitalism.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:00 am to oligarchgator
Does it address delayed compensation? That is any money earned being put into a trust and no distributed until the player leaves school. This has always been a work around for this issue while leaving "amateurism" in place.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:01 am to oligarchgator
The only thing the law does is make it legal in Cali for these players to make themselves ineligible within the NCAA.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:02 am to oligarchgator
which is what I posted in the other thread, so I obviously agree...
I am sure the blue blood programs would benefit more than others, but other than that, I can't see the harm in allowing players to make money on their celebrity. It wouldn't be the college that pays the guys for endorsement deals.
The fact that the blue blood programs would be a magnet for the elite athletes, though, would probably kill the sport in the long run. I'm not sure how much longer tackle football, as we know it, will last anyway.
I would also note that, as I understand it (and I haven't even read the article), this is only for endorsement type deals, so Title IX has no bearing on this. I assume this ruling would apply to any athlete, male or female, whose celebrity would warrant an offer for endorsement of a product or event.
Typing this post it did occur to me that there might be another type fallout. The guys or girls popular enough to get an endorsement gig might irritate other players on that team that don't get that, so it could divide a team.
I am sure the blue blood programs would benefit more than others, but other than that, I can't see the harm in allowing players to make money on their celebrity. It wouldn't be the college that pays the guys for endorsement deals.
The fact that the blue blood programs would be a magnet for the elite athletes, though, would probably kill the sport in the long run. I'm not sure how much longer tackle football, as we know it, will last anyway.
I would also note that, as I understand it (and I haven't even read the article), this is only for endorsement type deals, so Title IX has no bearing on this. I assume this ruling would apply to any athlete, male or female, whose celebrity would warrant an offer for endorsement of a product or event.
Typing this post it did occur to me that there might be another type fallout. The guys or girls popular enough to get an endorsement gig might irritate other players on that team that don't get that, so it could divide a team.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:02 am to RB10
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The only thing the law does is make it legal in Cali for these players to make themselves ineligible within the NCAA.
This. The law is a big nothing in regards to the ncaa
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:04 am to oligarchgator
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What it does is allow players to seek their own commercial opportunities. They can sign endorsement deals....
Ole Miss was doing this for years, allowing endorsement deals with Cannon Motors. Can they go back and sue for the troubles that brought?
California isn't inventing the wheel. They're just not calling it cheating anymore
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:06 am to John Milner
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I can't see the harm in allowing players to make money on their celebrity. It wouldn't be the college that pays the guys for endorsement deals.
"come to X college. We can get you this amount in endorsements".
It would open up an entirely new problem with recruiting.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:08 am to oligarchgator
I think the biggest thing people have missed is that it isn't a law yet. It is a bill passed by the lower chamber of their legislature.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:10 am to JustGetItRight
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I think the biggest thing people have missed is that it isn't a law yet. It is a bill passed by the lower chamber of their legislature.
It really doesn't matter if it passes or not. It will not be allowed by the NCAA. Pot is legal in multiple states. If your employer drug tests, and you test positive for marijuana in those states, you will still lose your job.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:11 am to RB10
quote:Yep, and the NCAA doesn't give a shite about this new Cali law. Any impermissible benefits received renders the student-athlete ineligible.
The only thing the law does is make it legal in Cali for these players to make themselves ineligible within the NCAA.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:12 am to RT1941
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Yep, and the NCAA doesn't give a shite about this new Cali law. Any impermissible benefits received renders the student-athlete ineligible.
Exactly. They're just going to tell the universities you can either adhere to our rules or you will forfeit games just like everyone else. End of discussion.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:16 am to oligarchgator
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This is progress
Allowing agents, lawyers, groupies, and fat little girlfriends access to a 18 year olds cash flow? That is not progress, just greed getting rewarded over common sense.
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this is the free market
If you believe markets are free, you have been brainwashed.
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This is Capitalism.
Folks have no idea what capitalism is. True capitalism existed in the late 1800's in the USA and exists now in China. US had the Robber Baron era then and China is experiencing it now. Under true capitalism you see wealth hoarding in an elite class, company towns, and basic human rights violations.
While I do believe Communism and Socialism do not work (Some are always more equal than other when applied to real life) pure capitalism does not either.
The US was a power when local and regional ownership dominated the landscape and long term human needs were taken into account as well as profits. Since the 80's "greed is good" became the mantra of the US, Wall Street shipped those jobs to China and fattened their bonuses instead of paying the wealth back out to shareholder's (often workers who bought stock in their employers).
Just look at General Electric as the poster child for the "greed is good" crowd. Capitalism and free markets sound like good mantra until the country switches form a middle class to a corporate monarchy.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:17 am to Vecchio Cane
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California isn't inventing the wheel. They're just not calling it cheating anymore
One of the better posts on the subject, have an up vote!
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:21 am to oligarchgator
Yes, it will kill college football as we know it. It will become a free agent market and you even alluded to it. Whoever is giving the best package is where they will be playing.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:24 am to oligarchgator
It will kill College Football and the SEC. It will create a model similar to MLB where the Dodgers and the Yankees have the highest payroll and that makes the automatic contenders. You might not have parity in CF as far a facilities, but every team is on a level playing field as far as legal benefits. If that changes, College Sports is dead.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:25 am to RB10
Kind of like the marijuana laws. Sure go smoke, but hope you don’t have to do a random drug test at work.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:32 am to oligarchgator
Athletes are being paid. Why is it so hard for people to understand this? Room, board, education. That is being paid.
If you are going to sell me your car and I offer you two cows, a horse and now your yard for a year; and you accept, that's payment. It may not be cash. But it's payment.
Quit feeling sorry for these athletes. The four years in school on scholarship will literally be the 4 best years of a majority of these kids' lives. They are far from exploited.
If you are going to sell me your car and I offer you two cows, a horse and now your yard for a year; and you accept, that's payment. It may not be cash. But it's payment.
Quit feeling sorry for these athletes. The four years in school on scholarship will literally be the 4 best years of a majority of these kids' lives. They are far from exploited.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:34 am to Vecchio Cane
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California isn't inventing the wheel. They're just not calling it cheating anymore
Interesting it is California...
The Pacific Coast Conference was shut down for rampant cheating in the 50's and reformed as the PAC a few years later.
UCLA under Wooden was the beneficiary of some of the worst creating when mobster "Papa" Sam Gilbert became a dominant force in turning .650 UCLA to .950 UCLA for the span of about a decade.
USC about a decade ago was the poster child for "loss of institution control" as they were cheating across the sports board. While the Reggie Bush thing caught the headlines, the NCAA reports showed they were cheating in all sports including volleyball and other women's sports.
Not sure if Cal and Stanford had such rampant cheating but based on their results they did not get their moneys worth if they did.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:38 am to Cheese Grits
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Folks have no idea what capitalism is. True capitalism existed in the late 1800's in the USA and exists now in China.
So communist China where the state has not established any basic human freedoms, but allows a version of capitalism as long as it doesn't conflict with the state is true capitalism?
Go to the political board if you want to preach about socialism and tell us all what "true capitalism" is.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:40 am to oligarchgator
Well, I guess we can just outright say now that there is no value in the opportunity for a free college education. Got it.
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