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John Milner
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like I do all other creatures I encounter in the wild (that I'm not trying to harvest for food).


harvest, my ass. You harvest corn. You harvest marijuana. You kill deer.


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Are you implying that this would melt the ice caps?

So basically, college football controls the climate.

cool, or warm, as the case may be


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re: One thing this board missed about the Law in California
No, just saying for every rat (Pitino) that gets seen in the daylight there are lots more scurrying around in the dark that the general public never sees.


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ok, so this article... LINK...that was linked earlier in this thread gives a pretty clear indication that the ncaa knows it's over a barrel. I expect these changes will come nationally, sooner rather than later.

"The association is open to updating its rules to better fit the 21st century, according to NCAA Board of Governors Chair Michael Drake, but wants those changes to be made on a national scale rather than state by state.

'We need to look at [NIL rules] carefully. My understanding broadly of name, image and likeness and the implications of those restrictions has changed really over the last several years and continues to evolve. We need to make sure our rules and guidelines evolve forward. We're not the association of the 20th century. We need to make sure we have 21st century rules.'

Drake said a national change is much more desirable for the NCAA."


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No, just saying for every rat (Pitino) that gets seen in the daylight there are lots more scurrying around in the dark that the general public never sees.


uuhh, the climate change comment was just a joke. Maybe not a funny one, but a joke nontheless.


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I got that, just never miss an opportunity to call Pitino a rat.



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The were hired STRIPPERS and prostitutes not school hostesses.


At least the strippers were professionals, some hostesses I knew would make time share sales pale in comparison.


Kiffin didn't have this problem at Tennessee, because all the women in Knoxville are volunteers.


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Problem with the debate, is ESPN, the lawyers, and the NCAA are still not considering a solution because each has a vested interest (financial) in their desired outcome.

Look, a parent has to make decisions for kids as a parent, not a friend

NCAA, lawyers, and media all need to keep this in mind when charting a solution
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RD Dawg
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NCAA gets BILLIONS annually from events and members schools


They don't make "billions" a year.They take in over a $billion in revenue and over half that money is distributed to 350 schools.They also spend millions on compensation for athletes across all divisions.
I'm not sure that you understand the difference between revenue and profit.

Most all schools provide insurance for all athletes anyway do you want to provide insurance above and beyond what the schools already provide?


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What it does is allow players to seek their own commercial opportunities. They can sign endorsement deals....They can do commercials for the car wash owned by local alumni...they can sell autographs and jerseys etc etc. It does open the door for payments from boosters but whatever. If boosters want to pay players, let them do it


Let's say I have a car dealership in Orange County and I sign the latest hot-shot QB at USC to a deal to appear in commer4cials and on billboards. Then , that kid ends up not starting or even playing for the Trojans so he enters the portal and transfers to Notre Dame. Can I sue the kid to get some of my money back?

And don't say that's too dumb to be a lawsuit in this litigious society


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Cheese Grits
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Most all schools provide insurance for all athletes anyway do you want to provide insurance above and beyond what the schools already provide?


The biggest issue for "pay for play" is what if a player gets hurt. This usually shouts down the fact a kid gets a valuable education long after their playing days are done but that is less sensational.

Peyton Manning returned to Tennessee for his senior year because he was able to purchase an insurance policy that covered injury if playing.

Therefore, clear proof that a solution exists to pay a player without paying a player.

NCAA can establish a captive insurance company under existing laws in all 50 states and the size of the NCAA allows risk pools far larger than any single school. This is not complicated, but it is insurance so it is VERY boring.



The basic tenant of insurance is to maximize the risk pool to minimize the cost. Since the NCAA (using non profit or association status) can create the biggest pool, they can create the lowest cost.

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I'm not sure that you understand the difference between revenue and profit.


I am not sure you understand the difference between non profit and very profitable non profits!


As to what they make "officially" and what they make "unofficially" I am guessing they make more than just the basketball contract for the NCAA TV rights. I am guessing the "lottery" brings in about 200K a month for 6 months or so and who knows where else they pick up grey money.


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The biggest issue for "pay for play" is what if a player gets hurt


Most schools already provide for this with their top players

Todd Gurley $10 million insurance policy

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The basic tenant of insurance is to maximize the risk pool to minimize the cost.


Yes,I think any non retarded adult understands this.

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As to what they make "officially" and what they make "unofficially" I am guessing they make more than just the basketball contract for the NCAA TV rights


Feel free to go to their website.Its over 85% of their funding.The rest is from ticket sales.Where else is the money coming from?They're a 501 3C Non Profit.They lose that "status" for not reporting "unofficial funds"
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Doesn’t matter. The school puts football players in position to be national names. Every sport will demand the same arena to be able to advance their likeness.


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They can sign endorsement deals....They can do commercials for the car wash owned by local alumni...they can sell autographs and jerseys etc etc.


Dude, this is already a thing with pro athletics. This is exactly why the media said Zion shouldn't go to NOLA, and he's FORCED to. Can you imagine if players with a choice get put in this scenario? Like Gainesville, Lincoln, Ames, and the like can compete with urban campuses for endorsements. SC, UCLA, and Standord would all have 58 5-star rosters. The SEC would be relegated to the Group of 6 with it's rural, suburban college towns.


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LINK


10 million dollar policy for 50K to 60K through a 3rd party "for profit" insurance company. NCAA pool > UGA pool and captive insurance < for profit insurance. You link supports a NCAA policy over a stand alone UGA one if I am reading this right.



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I think any non retarded adult understands this.


You would think. I have been in rooms and watch the average persons eyes glaze over and they start napping as soon as you discuss basic financial issues. To be honest, it is even worse when you are talking to politicians who are supposed to be smarter and representing the voters. Their eyes glow tho when the lobbyist forgo the slides and lectures and head straight to the hookers and blow. As for retarded adults, give me some Aspberger's Syndrome folks and they can explain the statistics in a way that make me feel like the dumbest guy in the room.



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The rest is from ticket sales.


Even something as simple as that can create grey money

For years I have been to NCAA Final Fours for both men and women and have been witness to some very questionable ticket practices that seem only possible if the NCAA has knowledge and approval for what is "cash only" sales for some of the best seats in the venue. In addition, lower seats for the participating schools have shrunken drastically even tho the venue sizes have grown. Anybody who has been to enough Final Fours over say the past 20 years will know exactly what I am talking about.


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re: One thing this board missed about the Law in California
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SC, UCLA, and Standord would all have 58 5-star rosters. The SEC would be relegated to the Group of 6 with it's rural, suburban college towns.


Not so fast my friend, you miss a key element, live demand.

Only the SEC and B1G can fill big venues with solid ticket sales. Notre Dame can do this as well, along with maybe 1 or 2 teams from the other three P5's. Even State and Ole Miss can sell more seats than 80% of schools in the ACC, B12, and PAC.


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re: One thing this board missed about the Law in California
Demand is as good as the product on the field which will become proportional to the earning opportunity afforded by the schools support and location. If team quality decreases so will demand. Less TV money, less ticket sales.


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harvest, my ass. You harvest corn. You harvest marijuana. You kill deer.

I harvest ambient protein from the air, land and water. It's everywhere - just for the taking.

Besides, God said thou shall not kill, so I 'harvest'.


RD Dawg
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You link supports a NCAA policy over a stand alone UGA one if I am reading this right.


What? Your previous argument was that players weren't provided these policies and I just showed you an example of a school providing this coverage.Now the goalposts have moved because you don't like this particular policy?.How would you know some ficticous,pie in the sky insurance policy is better that one that already exists?

WTF is wrong with "for profit"insurance"? Geez do you want some nightmare like Obamacare?

So you now want the NCAA involved and that means Title IX which in turn means every single police must be exactly the same with the exact same payout.So a chubby softball player who won't make millions in any type of career is gonna get the same payout as Todd Gurley?And now you're gonna have to cover over 500,000 athletes at over 1,100 institutions

And you're trying to tell me this policy would be better than Gurley's individual policy?LMAO!
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Cheese Grits
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WTF is wrong with "for profit"insurance"?


Lets say I have 500 million to put into a non profit insurance pool

Lets say I have 500 million to put in a for profit pool, but the agent takes 100 million off the top as commission

Which position offers more money in the pool to cover claims?


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So you now want the NCAA involved and that means Title IX which in turn means every single police must be exactly the same with the exact same payout.


Do you really not understand insurance

A million dollar house is insured for 1 million
A hundred thousand dollar house is insured for 1 hundred thousand

Both are underwritten by the same insurance company under different policies


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And you're trying to tell me this policy would be better than Gurley's individual policy?


Yes, if written correctly. Policy is based on payouts and any actuarial scientist worth his salt will get you pretty close to the actual numbers. In fact, research guys at the NCAA member colleges and universities could further reduce the payroll to manage the captive insurance company.



I told you this stuff was boring but correct, you told me a retard could understand it.

Why are you not understanding this?

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LMAO!


I am guessing you do not understand this but are afraid to admit it.


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