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re: Ok, just saw the Devin white hit.

Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:08 am to
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:08 am to
The ejection part of the rule needs to be removed.

15-yard penalties are fine, but Players should not be ejected for overly physical football plays.

I honestly don’t know who approves these rules, because I don’t know a single person in America that thinks ejection for targeting is warranted.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:09 am
Posted by Lahurricane08
Member since Sep 2018
866 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:08 am to
That was after initial contact, white had already shoved nick. His hands glanced off his chest, you can touch someone's neck with your hands you just cannot initiate a tackle on someones neck (which he did not do). The next photo is Devin white wrapping his right hand around nick to try and catch him from falling.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:09 am to
Wrong thread
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by Lahurricane08
Member since Sep 2018
866 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:10 am to
Even if it was a late hit, which the refs agreed it wasn't, White would not have been ejected...
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:11 am to
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The rule allows for hitting of a defenseless player... no where in the targeting rule does being a defenseless player matter for the call. Read the fricking rules you moron.


Guess what I can read maybe you need to.

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)

No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting. When in question, it is a foul.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:11 am to
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I'm not confused about Fitzgerald's head snapping back when the top of Whites helmet caught him in the head/neck area moving upward.


Once again, literally none of this happened.
Posted by Lahurricane08
Member since Sep 2018
866 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:12 am to
Mack Wilson crouched, THEN launched his helmet into the QBs chest. That is 3 separate targeting points
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:13 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Guess what I can read maybe you need to


Apparently you can't read as well as you think you can because this:

quote:

No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.


didn't happen. Their facemasks bumping AFTER White shoved him is not forcible contact.


This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11834 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:14 am to
Rule 9-1-4 states clearly the wording defenseless player but yet LSU fans can not read and call others idiots because they are in denial.

Also the rule states clearly even if just the hand or any part of the arm to the head or neck of a DEFENSELESS player it is targeting.

I posted all this assuming some of you morons can read.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95116 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:16 am to
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Also the rule states clearly even if just the hand or any part of the arm to the head or neck of a DEFENSELESS player it is targeting.
So would the crown of a helmet to the collar bone count?
Posted by bstew3006
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:16 am to
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First his head is buried in his chest. His arms are not extended and the QB has his head down, shoulder is square on the numbers. That’s 100% textbook tackling. Where would you like his head to rest?


I said it was a legal hit. I can also see the argument for RTP on both, even though I would call it a ticky tacky call on either.

I thought the call on Thompson (think that's the bama safety) was the right call after review.

I also spoke out against the ejection of the Miami safety against LSU.

His crown hit him in neck/head area and made contact with helmet/facemask, as did white. Just pointing out no consistency in this call of a defenseless player. You cant honestly say that was a good call against White. RTP...sure but ejection??? I'm sure your view would be the same if the roles were reversed...
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:27 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:17 am to
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Also the rule states clearly even if just the hand or any part of the arm to the head or neck of a DEFENSELESS player it is targeting.


How many times does it need to be explained that this DID NOT HAPPEN. White hands are touching Fitz's chest plate of his shoulder pads, not his neck or head.

This really is not that difficult.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95116 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:18 am to





His helmet is clearly hitting the neck of the Tenn QB. The top of the helmet is making contact with the chin as well
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:19 am
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:20 am to
Exactly, I know how it looks to a fan of said team but once you read the rules and watch the play I see how they made the call. However, my opinion is it’s a weak call in regards to actually calling it or letting it roll.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:21 am to
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Exactly, I know how it looks to a fan of said team but once you read the rules and watch the play I see how they made the call.




I mean, this is getting ridiculous.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:21 am to
But did all of those things happen at the same time or did his head snap from the launch? I haven’t watched this play except live btw so I’m asking? A lot of times it’s the perception of lowering the head or making that billy goat head/neck thrust.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:22 am to
It’s only ridiculous because you can’t look at it without LSU shades on. I would be pissed too.
This post was edited on 10/22/18 at 10:23 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:24 am to
quote:

But did all of those things happen at the same time or did his head snap from the launch? I haven’t watched this play except live btw so I’m asking? A lot of times it’s the perception of lowering the head or making that billy goat head/neck thrust.


You've already said Devin White's hit was targeting.

LINK

If that is targeting, so is Wilson's. Both initiate contact in the chest, but have incidental contact with the head.

Neither hit is targeting, by the way.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:26 am to
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It’s only ridiculous because you can’t look at it without LSU shades on. I would be pissed too.


Both Wilson and White initiate contact at the chest which causes incidental contact with the helmet.

Explain how I'm the one being a homer when you're saying one is targeting and the other is not. I'll wait, this should be good.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16995 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 10:29 am to
Do you have a video of the other one? From the still shot Wilson didn’t lead with his hands either. Provide your evidence and I’ll make comment.
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