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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:03 am to UnoMe
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Can we all agree now that S Bennett threw the ball forward and it wasn’t a fumble? The ball flew 5 yards forward in the air and #14 on Alabama just kinda oh well here’s a fumble I’ll just catch and run on back to the sideline.
Not so sure. But the call surrounding the BY fumble was fishy
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:30 am to dhuck20
It did seem to fire up the DaWGs after that play and Bammers resulting TD.
It was very close between a fumble and an incomplete pass, very hard to tell for me.
It was very close between a fumble and an incomplete pass, very hard to tell for me.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:45 am to Tuscaloosa
It cracks me up that you think a still photo is some sort of proof that his arm isnt moving. Lol
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:46 am to UnoMe
Might have been a fumble. The fact that it was nonchalantly recovered 1/4" in bounds was some Auburn level bullshite luck for Bama.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:49 am to UnoMe
Im surprised more people dont ask, "what force dislodged the ball from his hand?"
Object in motion stays in motion.
Object at rest stays at rest.
Slow motion makes this pretty simple to determine.
Was it the hit? No
Was it the tackle? No
Was it gravity? No
Was it the windup? No
Did his hand just open up? No
The actual force of his arm moving forward is when the ball loosened in his grip.
That is a fumble in the nfl 100 times out of 100.
Object in motion stays in motion.
Object at rest stays at rest.
Slow motion makes this pretty simple to determine.
Was it the hit? No
Was it the tackle? No
Was it gravity? No
Was it the windup? No
Did his hand just open up? No
The actual force of his arm moving forward is when the ball loosened in his grip.
That is a fumble in the nfl 100 times out of 100.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:50 am to UnoMe
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Ok, I will ask you this if it would have been called incomplete on the field at the time, would Saban called for a review?
Maybe he would have, I thought it was an incomplete pass when I first saw it. However the refs looked at it, most likely frame by frame, and they said fumble.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:01 am to meansonny
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That is a fumble in the nfl 100 times out of 100.
50/50 depending on the call on the field
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:07 am to djsdawg
Agree to disagree.
His elbow starts moving forward way before the hand (whip action).
It is all part of the forward throwing motion. The instant the hand follows through on delay, the ball slips from his fingers.
His elbow starts moving forward way before the hand (whip action).
It is all part of the forward throwing motion. The instant the hand follows through on delay, the ball slips from his fingers.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:08 am to meansonny
Seemed like a fumble to me. 
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:12 am to Terrific Tales
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I did a whole physics equation to prove that he must have been in possession of the ball to throw it what far, and the guy who asked me to do it never even responded. Thankfully I was super bored and needed something to do that night
Well hopefully it wasn't your boss because you can't prove that with a physics equation. You can't equate possession of the ball.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:31 am to UnoMe
The bigger officiating issue IMO is that apparently QBs can now shove the ball into the ground as soon as they are in the grasp of a defender and avoid both a sack and intentional grounding.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:32 am to UnoMe
Arm going forward. Ball goes forward. It's an incomplete pass, and it would be called an incomplete pass 9,999 times out of 10,000.
Thankfully it doesn't matter.
Thankfully it doesn't matter.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:33 am to UnoMe
It was a typical game where most of the calls went Alabama's way. We were called for illegal hands to the face while they were doing it multiple times. The flea flicker intentional grounding was unreal. What if the receiver gets confused on the route or pulls up? No way to call grounding there.
The call on the first series that nullified our scoop and score where they said Bryce's arm was going forward is not called grounding? I guess the forward pass was the right call by the book. But, I think if a D lineman has you wrapped up and you can only move your arm from your elbow down it should be a sack and a fumble.
Stetson's play was so close you have to go with the call on the field. I still can't believe the ball bounced up to the Bama player and didn't go out of bounds. I was thinking the Georgia sports curse was on again after that play.
All and all, both teams got a couple of calls, but Bama got more.
The call on the first series that nullified our scoop and score where they said Bryce's arm was going forward is not called grounding? I guess the forward pass was the right call by the book. But, I think if a D lineman has you wrapped up and you can only move your arm from your elbow down it should be a sack and a fumble.
Stetson's play was so close you have to go with the call on the field. I still can't believe the ball bounced up to the Bama player and didn't go out of bounds. I was thinking the Georgia sports curse was on again after that play.
All and all, both teams got a couple of calls, but Bama got more.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:38 am to 3down10
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It was a fumble. It went 19 yards towards the sideline.
It was too close to call definitively for me.
I will say this, though. If he had lost control of the ball before his arm was going forward, why did the ball go forward? Wouldn't it have gone straight down or backwards? Something propelled the ball forward.
I just looked at a video and the ball went a good 6 yards forward. It was wobbly which could support that he had lost control....but it went forward that could also indicate that he had control at least at the beginning.
All of that said, it was so close I think the referees made a call as best they could at the spur of the moment. The fact that the call was upheld and not confirmed tells me that even with slow motion etc the people in the booth could not definitively say, therefore the play stood.
It is what it is. Most Georgia fans will probably believe his arm was going forward and most Alabama fans will believe that it was a fumble.
TLDR
It was ruled a fumble and not overturned by the replay booth. I'm glad it did not cost us the game, whether it was a fumble or not.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:42 am to UnoMe
At first I thought it was an incomplete pass, and even after the first couple of replays they showed I still thought that. But they finally showed an angle where you could see that the ball came out of his grasp just before he started to move his hand forward. It was extremely, extremely close.
The difference between the Bennett fumble and the Young non-fumble was that loss of control. Bennett did not have a firm grasp on the ball when he went through his throwing motion, while Young did, even though the LB who hit him had grabbed his upper arm so that he couldn't extend and get the ball where he wanted it to go. Now, whether or not it should have been grounding is a separate question that, since the change to the way they are calling intentional grounding, I really don't know the answer to.
The difference between the Bennett fumble and the Young non-fumble was that loss of control. Bennett did not have a firm grasp on the ball when he went through his throwing motion, while Young did, even though the LB who hit him had grabbed his upper arm so that he couldn't extend and get the ball where he wanted it to go. Now, whether or not it should have been grounding is a separate question that, since the change to the way they are calling intentional grounding, I really don't know the answer to.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:50 am to TheTideMustRoll
quote:What still baffles me today is the ref before the review of fumble/pass saying "After review, If it is ruled a pass, it will be an intentional grounding... " Since we definitely should have intentional grounding on Bryce's play.
Now, whether or not it should have been grounding is a separate question that, since the change to the way they are calling intentional grounding, I really don't know the answer to.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:03 am to DawgsLife
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why did the ball go forward? Wouldn't it have gone straight down or backwards? Something propelled the ball forward.
One could push a ball forward
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:07 am to UnoMe
It could have gone either way, but I would have been pissed if I were Georgia because Bama was getting all the calls. I am not saying I disagreed with any of the calls, just that there were some that could have gone either way or been no calls, and they were all going for Bama.
They evened out a little bit later in the game.
They evened out a little bit later in the game.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:08 am to UnoMe
It was a fumble.
Young’s was an incomplete pass
Young’s was an incomplete pass
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