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re: Not trolling, Potential NO Votes?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:17 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:17 pm to lsufball19
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Missouri is what throws everything off as far north as they are, otherwise A&M, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons and not just geography
That's fine.
SEC North Pod: Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vandy.
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:18 pm to lsufball19
Lawsuits
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:21 pm to AggnHou
I would hope we get 14 no votes. Texas is the worst.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:21 pm to higgs_boson
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We have long memories and quite a bit of power of our own. I certainly would have very different feelings about the importance of maintaining SEC traditions and rules if you allow Texas in. It's every school for itself at that point and you reap what you sow.
Wow.
Do you really think any SEC school fears A&M blowback?
I am not even sure if your school will vote no when push comes to shove.
You want to change the rules then the rules change.
I don't trust Texas but A&M knows how to do business with them and we have deep roots together. Let Texas in and we will cut our own deals with Texas just like we did in the SWC and the Big 12. We hate each other but we have a lot of mutual interests and we are one of the very few that can actually hurt Texas if we really want to but we know that comes at a price. Instead, we will almost certainly cut a deal and Texas will be happy to do so.
That means you will have Texas, A&M, and OU working together. Then Texas will peel off some other schools and destroy others, likely starting with Arkansas. Then suddenly some really bad media starts to hit LSU out of nowhere. On and on.
If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school? It won't happen overnight but it will happen, they play for keeps. Honestly, Florida is probably the school best insulated from them. Maybe Georgia. Bama would be a tough takedown but they can do it given time.
A&M is rich enough and politically powerful enough to protect ourselves, not everyone is. If the game is all about what is in our best interests we will play that game, just know the SEC as you know it will be a memory.
Most SEC schools have no idea what real hardball politics looks like inside the conference. You want to play that way go ahead just understand A&M had to do it for a century and we know how to play too. You guys really think this is about football schedules and making a few bucks, it's incredibly naive.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:21 pm to abellsujr
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:23 pm to aggressor
Arkansas understands. We spent decades as the only non-Texas team in the SWC conference.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:23 pm to aggressor
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That was what was always so funny was Texas assumed that by saying they would discontinue the rivalry with A&M that we would come crawling back. Instead, we laughed at then and it ended up being one of the last straws for the few who opposed the SEC move.
Texas is not chasing A&M.. if Texas makes the move, it is because Texas wants the SEC, with or without A&M.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:24 pm to BigBro
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Texas is not chasing A&M.. if Texas makes the move, it is because Texas wants the SEC, with or without A&M.
Yall are running from TCU. How dishonorable.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:24 pm to aggressor
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If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school?
Getting rid of partial qualifiers is what killed Nebraska.. nothing else. Stop the lies already..
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:26 pm to Farmer1906
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Yall are running from TCU. How dishonorable.
Yep.. you got me. Texas is scared of TCU.
Keep melting biatch..
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:28 pm to BigBro
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Keep melting biatch..
Keep begging biatch..
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:37 pm to aggressor
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Most SEC schools have no idea what real hardball politics looks like inside the conference. You want to play that way go ahead just understand A&M had to do it for a century and we know how to play too. You guys really think this is about football schedules and making a few bucks, it's incredibly naive.
The Texas schools (and Trans A&M was a big part of it) ruined the SWC by continually ratting out each other for cheating while trying to one-up each other by doing the same thing themselves. This was all played out amongst insulated groups of boosters in the same cities who knew each other for generations in a pre-social media, pre-cell phone (hell, pre-fax machine) era and no one outside of Texas gave a shite what you were doing to each other and your conference. Its 2021 and a different world. If Texas wasn't able to "destroy" its only real competition in OU over the last 9 years, what makes you think they can take down an entire conference that is infinitely stronger than the one they are leaving?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:40 pm to DuckTalesLOL
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Would be embarrassing for OU/Texas if this gets voted down
In that case Im all for it getting voted down
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:41 pm to BigBro
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If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school?
Getting rid of partial qualifiers is what killed Nebraska.. nothing else. Stop the lies already..
Who was it that pushed for that? Who also had the power in the NCAA to slowly strip away their advantages.
The first thing Texas did when the Big 12 started was gang up on NU and slowly crush them. NU had a ridiculous string of 9 win seasons, NC's, NY Bowl appearances, and Conference Titles. Now they are a B1G bottom feeder that is basically forgotten. CU had won a Natty a few years before and was also a power and slowly but surely they just fell into the abyss.
Do those schools deserve blame for their own demise? Sure, but their biggest mistake was thinking they could keep Texas in check.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:45 pm to aggressor
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I don't trust Texas but A&M knows how to do business with them and we have deep roots together. Let Texas in and we will cut our own deals with Texas just like we did in the SWC and the Big 12. We hate each other but we have a lot of mutual interests and we are one of the very few that can actually hurt Texas if we really want to but we know that comes at a price. Instead, we will almost certainly cut a deal and Texas will be happy to do so.
That means you will have Texas, A&M, and OU working together. Then Texas will peel off some other schools and destroy others, likely starting with Arkansas. Then suddenly some really bad media starts to hit LSU out of nowhere. On and on.
If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school? It won't happen overnight but it will happen, they play for keeps. Honestly, Florida is probably the school best insulated from them. Maybe Georgia. Bama would be a tough takedown but they can do it given time.
A&M is rich enough and politically powerful enough to protect ourselves, not everyone is. If the game is all about what is in our best interests we will play that game, just know the SEC as you know it will be a memory.
Most SEC schools have no idea what real hardball politics looks like inside the conference. You want to play that way go ahead just understand A&M had to do it for a century and we know how to play too. You guys really think this is about football schedules and making a few bucks, it's incredibly naive.
Texas people are so weird. If Texas had all this alleged power they wouldn't be where they are now and would have won a lot more than they have. Same goes for A&M. Been here 10 years now and I've yet to see all this political power and money amount to anything other than a lot of crowing.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:50 pm to aggressor
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The first thing Texas did when the Big 12 started was gang up on NU and slowly crush them.
Or maybe Nebraska lost a legendary coach and then thought his prdecessor wasn't doing enough. And maybe the recruiting landscape changed a little bit as well making it more difficult for Nebraska to get players when they're in state with no pipeline talent. What exactly do you think Texas did?
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CU had won a Natty a few years before and was also a power and slowly but surely they just fell into the abyss.
seriously? You think Colorado's inability to sustain long term success was because of Texas?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:51 pm to Basura Blanco
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Most SEC schools have no idea what real hardball politics looks like inside the conference. You want to play that way go ahead just understand A&M had to do it for a century and we know how to play too. You guys really think this is about football schedules and making a few bucks, it's incredibly naive.
The Texas schools (and Trans A&M was a big part of it) ruined the SWC by continually ratting out each other for cheating while trying to one-up each other by doing the same thing themselves. This was all played out amongst insulated groups of boosters in the same cities who knew each other for generations in a pre-social media, pre-cell phone (hell, pre-fax machine) era and no one outside of Texas gave a shite what you were doing to each other and your conference. Its 2021 and a different world. If Texas wasn't able to "destroy" its only real competition in OU over the last 9 years, what makes you think they can take down an entire conference that is infinitely stronger than the one they are leaving?
OU does what it is told and Texas is getting what they want, essentially the RRR should be the defacto conference title every year. Only Texas can't even do that because they are so incompetent since they got rid of Mack. Now they are looking for greener pastures and don't care that they are going to screw over 8 other schools to do it and not blink.
Oh, and the main culprit of the "ratting out" was articles from the Dallas media which are all Texas folks. They decided they needed to do lots of "investigative reporting" to find anything they could. Selectively of course. A&M was certainly not pure but one thing A&M does not have is power in the media, we barely even have a journalism school.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:53 pm to aggressor
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some really bad media starts to hit LSU out of nowhere.
Gee, I wonder what that's like...
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:53 pm to aggressor
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If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school? It won't happen overnight but it will happen, they play for keeps.
This. SEC folks don't get it. Yes, sips will come swaggering in waving their arrogance in everyone's face and likely get stomped on the field. That's not how they play the long game. 40 Acres is really, really good at supporting league bylaws that sound attractive, that appear to benefit every conference member, but in the long run tend to benefit the sips significantly more than anyone else. They build coalitions and are extremely persuasive. The initiatives they support always seem reasonable and fair, until 10 years down the road it turns out they sold everyone on an ACC-style cable package.
Aggressor's right. Give it 10 years and there will be off-field dissent and animosity like you wouldn't believe. SEC's famed unity would be in tatters.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:58 pm to lsufball19
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I don't trust Texas but A&M knows how to do business with them and we have deep roots together. Let Texas in and we will cut our own deals with Texas just like we did in the SWC and the Big 12. We hate each other but we have a lot of mutual interests and we are one of the very few that can actually hurt Texas if we really want to but we know that comes at a price. Instead, we will almost certainly cut a deal and Texas will be happy to do so.
That means you will have Texas, A&M, and OU working together. Then Texas will peel off some other schools and destroy others, likely starting with Arkansas. Then suddenly some really bad media starts to hit LSU out of nowhere. On and on.
If Texas could destroy Nebraska who won 3 NC's in 4 years do you honestly think they can't destroy any other SEC school? It won't happen overnight but it will happen, they play for keeps. Honestly, Florida is probably the school best insulated from them. Maybe Georgia. Bama would be a tough takedown but they can do it given time.
A&M is rich enough and politically powerful enough to protect ourselves, not everyone is. If the game is all about what is in our best interests we will play that game, just know the SEC as you know it will be a memory.
Most SEC schools have no idea what real hardball politics looks like inside the conference. You want to play that way go ahead just understand A&M had to do it for a century and we know how to play too. You guys really think this is about football schedules and making a few bucks, it's incredibly naive.
Texas people are so weird. If Texas had all this alleged power they wouldn't be where they are now and would have won a lot more than they have. Same goes for A&M. Been here 10 years now and I've yet to see all this political power and money amount to anything other than a lot of crowing.
Texas hasn't needed to use it much in the last 10 years. They own the Big 12 even if they can't seem to find a way to win at football in spite of every advantage. If you are an LSU fan you probably had no reason to notice it at all. Most of it is done with a lot of subtlety and how they use the media.
They sure as hell flexed their muscles when we moved to the SEC. They basically came to us with a crappy TV contract and told us to take it. Then they tried to tell us we had to go with them to the Pac. Thhen we called the SEC. They flexed them really hard to blow up the SWC and in the early years of the Big 12 until they could get control over Nebraska. They used the SWC as a plaything for decades.
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