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I'd say UGA might be first.
UGA has a couple of things going for it.
1 - They give their coaches a LONG time to succeed. Donnan got 5 years. Goff got 6 with the last 3 being 5-6, 6-4-1 and 6-6. Those are the shortest UGA terms since 1964.
2 - Unless you believe GT is "back", they're effectively the only team of note in a very talent rich state.
3 - They have plenty of money.
4 - They are located in Athens, a city so nice that every UGA head coach since 1964 who's retired has moved back there to live.
5 - They have a ton of name recognition, especially after the latest two NC's.
UGA is effectively a place that is about as easy to win at as Bama with less expectations and a better talent base.
UGA has a couple of things going for it.
1 - They give their coaches a LONG time to succeed. Donnan got 5 years. Goff got 6 with the last 3 being 5-6, 6-4-1 and 6-6. Those are the shortest UGA terms since 1964.
2 - Unless you believe GT is "back", they're effectively the only team of note in a very talent rich state.
3 - They have plenty of money.
4 - They are located in Athens, a city so nice that every UGA head coach since 1964 who's retired has moved back there to live.
5 - They have a ton of name recognition, especially after the latest two NC's.
UGA is effectively a place that is about as easy to win at as Bama with less expectations and a better talent base.
Back when there were divisions, some teams would put them up.
You could claim that you "won" the SEC East or West.
Now... you don't win anything by making the SECCG. The top 2 teams get invited but it's not like you won the spot for a particular half of the conference.
And now that I think about it... the only team who can answer this is Texas. You're the only SECCG loser since divisions went away.
You could claim that you "won" the SEC East or West.
Now... you don't win anything by making the SECCG. The top 2 teams get invited but it's not like you won the spot for a particular half of the conference.
And now that I think about it... the only team who can answer this is Texas. You're the only SECCG loser since divisions went away.
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Didn't think I'd upvote a Gator in this thread, but this perspective is 100% the right one. I'm proud that Richt came back to Athens and feels welcome with the team.
Every UGA head coach from Vince Dooley on has moved back to Athens when they've retired. Dooley, Goff, Donnan and Richt.
re: For what it’s worth, I’d much rather live in Florida than Mississippi or Louisiana.
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 1:13 pm to LSU Patrick
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How many people from states other than Georgia do you think are looking at US news and saying: "Hey babe, we should really move to Alpharetta, Georgia because it's rated in the top 25?"
Probably anyone who has looked at a map and is looking to move to an Atlanta suburb.
Just like with Marietta, Norcross, Lawrenceville, Snellville or Lithonia.
The suburbs North and East of Atlanta have been huge draws for the last 30 years.
re: There are (still) only 12 teams that can win a football natty
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 1:09 pm to themetalreb
I think PSU, Oklahoma, A&M, ND and Clemson belong on the list.
The reality is Clemson and PSU have the talent base needed. Yeah, they suck this year but they have the recruiting base to still succeed. It's especially true for Clemson who under Dabo doesn't want to use the transfer portal.
Beside each team is their composite talent rankings for the last 4 seasons
Alabama - 2, 1, 1, 1 = 5
Georgia - 1, 2, 2, 2 = 7
Ohio State - 3, 3, 3, 3 = 12
Texas - 4, 4, 6, 6 = 20
Clemson - 7, 5, 5, 5 = 22
A&M - 8, 10, 4, 4 = 26
Oregon - 5, 6, 10, 7 = 28
LSU - 6, 8, 7, 8 = 29
ND - 9, 9, 11, 10 = 39
OU - 14, 7, 9, 9 = 39
PSU - 10, 11, 13, 15 = 49
USC - 17, 15, 8, 11 = 51
Florida - 12, 12, 15, 14 = 53
Miami - 15, 14, 12, 12 = 53
Michigan - 11, 16, 14, 13 = 54
Auburn - 13, 18, 18, 18 = 67
Tennessee - 16, 17, 16, 19 = 68
FSU - 19, 13, 20, 17 = 69
It's about consistent talent. I don't think AU, UTk and FSU have that year after year enough to be one of the teams where you can realistically believe you can win a national title.
So I'll go with 15 teams.
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So what your saying is, if Texas wins then Georgia gets to avoid the SECCG and get rested up for the playoffs.
I hope Kirby sees your angle on this.
What I'm saying is if UGA loses they have 2 losses while if Texas loses they'll have 3 losses.
And while it's just 1 season into the expanded playoff era, no team with 3 losses has ever made a FBS playoff yet... not even Bama last year (who is probably the team most likely to get a playoff invite with 3-losses).
So it matters more to Texas.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't matter to UGA at all. It just matters less.
re: How bad is ABC/ESPN suffering?… the actual numbers
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 12:28 pm to AUTiger789
That's a lot of numbers... but it's missing a lot of context.
Week 10 and 11 were the only two weeks of gameday that didn't have any teams from the SEC or Big 10.
Week 11 was BYU vs TT. (20.6)
Week 10 was Cincy and Utah. (22.5)
Only one other week had ONE team from a conference other than the Big 10 or SEC. That was Week 4 where Florida played Miami (ACC). (22.3)
Instead of looking at some youtube dispute as the cause... maybe it's simpler to just look at the fact that people don't care as much about CFB in weeks where the "best game" is not involving two teams from the SEC and Big 10.
Week 10 and 11 were the only two weeks of gameday that didn't have any teams from the SEC or Big 10.
Week 11 was BYU vs TT. (20.6)
Week 10 was Cincy and Utah. (22.5)
Only one other week had ONE team from a conference other than the Big 10 or SEC. That was Week 4 where Florida played Miami (ACC). (22.3)
Instead of looking at some youtube dispute as the cause... maybe it's simpler to just look at the fact that people don't care as much about CFB in weeks where the "best game" is not involving two teams from the SEC and Big 10.
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I have seen a lot of UGA fans say they got nothing to lose this game doesn’t matter to them as much as it does Texas … if UGA loses and OU and Texas win UGA will likely be the last place sec team in the field. If A@M keeps winning I seriously doubt 6 sec teams will be getting in z
Nothing to lose is a false claim.
But the game is more important for Texas.
If UGA loses, they'll have 2 losses and won't make the SECCG. But as long as they beat GT they'll finish 10-2 and be in the playoff in virtually any scenario.
If Texas loses they'll have 3 losses. They'll then have to beat A&M to have ANY shot at the playoff and even that would put them behind UGA in the selection order.
Remember, UGA has only 1 loss right now. OU and Texas have 2 each.
re: Reality is starting to set in over at Rebels247
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 11:37 am to Quicksilver
If Lane doesn't think Ole Miss is a program capable of winning a national title he may leave.
If he does that this year, what are his options?
LSU?
Positives - Have pretty good talent base (6th in talent composite) and have won titles recently (2019 is more recent than all but Bama, UGA, Michigan and OSU).
Negatives - They have no patience and may not be close enough for that lack of patience. They just fired a coach who was 5-3 and who's worst completed season had 9 wins.
Florida?
Positives - Have adequate talent base (12th in composite), have won titles with good coaches in the past (Spurrier and Meyer) and are more paitent than LSU.
Negatives - More of a step back from OM right now in terms of how close they are even if ceiling is much higher.
Auburn?
Positives - Adequate talent (13th in composite).
Negatives - Little brother in their state and don't really lead in recruiting any particular area. Perhaps are no longer as good a job as they were in the past.
In my mind, UF is the easy choice if Lane wants to leave Ole Miss right now. But it also wouldn't be crazy for him to hang around and wait for a truly elite job to open up. Bama, Michigan, OSU or Texas for example. Texas in particular could be somewhere Lane sees as potentially opening up in the near future and a better spot than any currently open.
If he does that this year, what are his options?
LSU?
Positives - Have pretty good talent base (6th in talent composite) and have won titles recently (2019 is more recent than all but Bama, UGA, Michigan and OSU).
Negatives - They have no patience and may not be close enough for that lack of patience. They just fired a coach who was 5-3 and who's worst completed season had 9 wins.
Florida?
Positives - Have adequate talent base (12th in composite), have won titles with good coaches in the past (Spurrier and Meyer) and are more paitent than LSU.
Negatives - More of a step back from OM right now in terms of how close they are even if ceiling is much higher.
Auburn?
Positives - Adequate talent (13th in composite).
Negatives - Little brother in their state and don't really lead in recruiting any particular area. Perhaps are no longer as good a job as they were in the past.
In my mind, UF is the easy choice if Lane wants to leave Ole Miss right now. But it also wouldn't be crazy for him to hang around and wait for a truly elite job to open up. Bama, Michigan, OSU or Texas for example. Texas in particular could be somewhere Lane sees as potentially opening up in the near future and a better spot than any currently open.
Both LSU and UF are 2-4 in conference play. Should be a good matchup.
Both are on par with teams with similar records like UK (2-5) and MSU (1-5).
Both are on par with teams with similar records like UK (2-5) and MSU (1-5).
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It will definitely make coaching more important than it has ever been
Mediocre coaches have won national championships with teams that were loaded with five star talent in the past
That will be much tougher in the future
Kind of.
But elite QB's have also carried teams with a bit less talent then the loaded teams have to championships many times as well... and notching those QB's is still a factor of recruiting.
Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow, Cam Newton... these guys were all on teams with good talent... but not truly elite overall talent. They were just so good they could elevate their team to the point that a team with elite overall talent without an elite QB (mostly Bama) wouldn't be able to defeat them.
Let's not think of Gainesville Florida the same as coastal Florida.
Gainesville, FL = Valdosta, GA. They're just an hour and 45 minutes apart on I75. Same distance from the gulf. Gainesville is a bit closer to the Atlantic.
Gainesville, FL = Valdosta, GA. They're just an hour and 45 minutes apart on I75. Same distance from the gulf. Gainesville is a bit closer to the Atlantic.
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UGA is definitely beatable and so is Alabama
The new state of CFB with NIL and unrestricted transfers is that every team is beatable by almost any team with half a pulse. The "good" teams are the ones that have to have a bigger off day to be beat so week to week they accumulate fewer losses.
The days of Juggernaut teams who can still win against top 25 opponents even if they play poorly simply due to their team being that much better are over.
re: Does anyone else in the country have 3 road wins over ranked teams?
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 7:28 am to AggieArchitect2004
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So in YOUR world a team that beats a team and drops them out of the rankings only means that the team was overrated…
And if a team has done that several times in a season it only means those teams were overrated…
This explains why ranked wins are a big deal.
Since the team has to either remain ranked after you beat them or climb back into the rankings after you beat them, it makes wins against teams that are ranked by season's end hard to get.
If they're overrated, they don't climb back into the rankings.
If you measure at the time of the game you get odd scenarios where a team beats a team early and then later on they get ranked.... or you get the reverse and a team beats a "ranked" team early who then goes 4-8.
Both Bama and A&M beat LSU.
That win will count as a ranked win for both or an unranked win for both. But they both get the same sort of credit for the game (barring a slight home/away difference if applicable). It's insane for one to be able to say "we beat a top 20 team!" and the other to say "We beat an unranked team."
You both beat LSU. It counts the same.
re: Does anyone else in the country have 3 road wins over ranked teams?
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 7:21 am to Wildcat1996
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And throughout history. Teams are who they are when you play them and have been forever.
Eh... no. Schools are who the are at the moment a conversation is happening, not when you played them.
Not sure where you get this idea.
Otherwise two teams can play the same opponent and one can talk about them as being ranked because they played them when they were over ranked early and the other can't because they beat them after everyone realized they sucked.
Do you seriously think you get credit for beating a ranked team when beating LSU where Bama doesn't considering they beat the same team? In what universe does that make sense.
Both A&M and Bama beat LSU. LSU is not currently ranked.
re: Georgia on my mind..
Posted by DawginSC on 11/13/25 at 7:07 am to Nasty_Canasta
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I think Texas keeps it within 10 points.
Not much of a prediction.
The only SEC teams who haven't kept it to within 10 points this year with UGA were UK (21 points) and MSU (20 points).
re: Billy Napier Spotted at UGA Practice
Posted by DawginSC on 11/12/25 at 6:35 am to prplhze2000
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Maybe Kirby is starting his own coaching rehabilitation program
Not really. Kirby just realizes that because a guy sucked as a head coach, doesn't mean he can't coach a position or the offense/defense.
Muschamp is not a good head coach. But he's a great coach for any position group on the defensive side of the ball and a great DC. Having guys like that on your bench in "analyst" roles isn't a bad thing.
I'm not sure I think Napier would be a good OC or offensive position coach. But I don't think Bobo is a great OC either... so whatever. If Kirby wants him as an option, that's fine I guess.
re: Compare these resumes
Posted by DawginSC on 11/10/25 at 1:23 pm to AUTiger789
3-loss OU would be out.
They kind of showed last year that 3 loss teams who didn't get the loss in a CCG aren't going to be looked at favorably. OU would also be behind Texas who beat them head to head.
They kind of showed last year that 3 loss teams who didn't get the loss in a CCG aren't going to be looked at favorably. OU would also be behind Texas who beat them head to head.
When you are a top 10 type team, the way to look at schedules is really just looking at ranked teams they play. Once you get outside the top 25 teams, if you're a national championship contender the quality of the opponents shouldn't matter. Beating Auburn vs Arkansas vs Charlotte... they aren't differentiating games.
Texas A&M as of this week has 2 ranked teams (right now) that they'll play. Texas and ND.
Bama has 4.
Georgia has 5.
Texas has 5.
Oklahoma has 5.
Vandy has 3.
A&M's schedule is more like Ole Miss who also has 2. Both had easy draws IC. A&M's was easier since they only have one conference ranked opponent... but OM was wimpier OOC.
Texas A&M as of this week has 2 ranked teams (right now) that they'll play. Texas and ND.
Bama has 4.
Georgia has 5.
Texas has 5.
Oklahoma has 5.
Vandy has 3.
A&M's schedule is more like Ole Miss who also has 2. Both had easy draws IC. A&M's was easier since they only have one conference ranked opponent... but OM was wimpier OOC.
re: Why Is Aggie Handling Success so Poorly?
Posted by DawginSC on 11/10/25 at 12:51 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The bigger the playoff, the harder for these less talented programs to navigate it.
This is true.
Last year, the final four team remaining were Texas (#4 in total team talent that year), Ohio State (#3), Notre Dame (#9) and PSU (#11).
Teams in the top 15 have a shot. But BSU (#76), Inidana (#57), ASU (#30) or SMU (#25)? They don't have the horses to win 3-4 games in a row against top opponents.
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