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re: NCAA is going to have to bring back the sit out a year transfer rule

Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:21 pm to
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The response was fine, it's a broad topic. But the supreme court ruling was actually pretty limited.


I think it was also an errant one. The NCAA in all of it's idiocy, decided that payment meant a free-for-all, which is ridiculous. Even the NFL isn't a free-for-all. There are salary caps, which is what needs to happen here. As for the portal, they need to lock it down, like I said, to fall after the traditional National Signing Day and make it a very small window. The way it is right now is a complete and utter mess from just an administrative standpoint.
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
2908 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:23 pm to
No student athletes is in a binding contract - that’s called the NFL. If that’s what you want, it’s already available on Sundays
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90550 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:27 pm to
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I think the portal should simply open for a single 2 week span in the late spring or early summer. If you sign with a team, you should stay with the team through bowl season. They should also allow the high school players to finish recruitment before existing players are allowed to transfer.


This. Portal should open after signing day for HS recruits and before spring practice.

They’re ruining bowl season with this shite. Half the teams are running their 2nd string
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18086 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:28 pm to
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But Supreme Court = NIL decision.
Nothing to do with tuition, meals, transfers, etc..


Sure it does. Considering the cost of education, you're looking at a $100,000+ benefit just on tuition alone. Not to mention that players have always gotten living stipends, plus meals, athletic training, etc. You're looking at roughly $500,000 worth of benefits for the average college player over a 4 year span. Plus, if you are really good, it opens the door to a multi-million dollar career in the NFL. The argument that the players were slaves and unpaid, is completely asinine.

The transfer portal is the NCAA overreacting to that decision because of a fear of lawsuits. They want to avoid lawsuits from players based on now that they are paid employees, they are disallowed to go chase more money at another school. It's all related.

Posted by LSU1215
Monroe
Member since Aug 2009
3738 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:29 pm to
Most these transfers don't even start or get playing time. Most will go to programs just to get PT if they get offered. It just seems crazy because it is alot of names entering.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25587 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:32 pm to
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I think it was also an errant one. The NCAA in all of it's idiocy, decided that payment meant a free-for-all, which is ridiculous. Even the NFL isn't a free-for-all. There are salary caps, which is what needs to happen here. As for the portal, they need to lock it down, like I said, to fall after the traditional National Signing Day and make it a very small window. The way it is right now is a complete and utter mess


I'm new to the thread. But you don't have a grasp of what is going on.
The ncaa didn't decide anything financially. The Supreme Court ruled that the players control their own NIL. The universities have absolutely nothing to do with NIL other than reporting. Which means the universities have no control over who gets what. It is impossible to cap. Impossible to legislate. Impossible to change.

The only possibility is to add the 1 year redshirt back to undergrad portal transfers.
If someone wants to throw money, they can. But the player sits (unless a grad transfer).
A red shirt actually protects player eligibility. It is a good thing.
Posted by reggierayreb
Germantown
Member since Nov 2012
16956 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:34 pm to
A coach can accept 3 jobs in 3 years getting a pay raise each time.

Why can’t a player ?
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18086 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:36 pm to
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A coach can accept 3 jobs in 3 years getting a pay raise each time.

Why can’t a player ?


Do players have to pay millions in buyout fees if they leave?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25587 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:37 pm to
Your post makes no sense.

Player benefits are tuition, meals, housing, Healthcare, cost of attendance stipend. None of that is an employee relationship.

NIL is a 3rd party arrangement.
The university can't stop it if they tried.
Gillette sponsors the NFL and New England Patriots.
But Gillette, the NFL, nor the New England Patriots can prevent David Andrews from signing a sponsorship with Norelco.

It is the same for the athletes.
There is no employment agreement.
No HR
No work comp
No OSHA
Equal Employer Opportunity.

You are making no sense.

I think the universities should do more. Family housing.. family transportation so parents can watch games. Healthcare for after playing days for injuries. That is where the additional revenues should first go.

But none of that has a single thing to do with NIL or the Supreme court.
Posted by Safety Blitz
The Backfield
Member since May 2022
1854 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:39 pm to
Says the Florida Fan…don’t worry. Your program will be good again one day. Be patient.
Posted by DMagic
#ChowderPosse
Member since Aug 2010
46384 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:41 pm to
Has a coach? Seriously when has the hiring school not paid that sum?
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18086 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:42 pm to
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I'm new to the thread. But you don't have a grasp of what is going on.
The ncaa didn't decide anything financially. The Supreme Court ruled that the players control their own NIL. The universities have absolutely nothing to do with NIL other than reporting. Which means the universities have no control over who gets what. It is impossible to cap. Impossible to legislate. Impossible to change.

The only possibility is to add the 1 year redshirt back to undergrad portal transfers.
If someone wants to throw money, they can. But the player sits (unless a grad transfer).
A red shirt actually protects player eligibility. It is a good thing.


Schools can and do get involved in NIL. They allowed states to define that. Mississippi, for example, allowed schools to be involved directly with associations with private funds.

As for the sitting rule, the NCAA is handing out waivers to just about anyone that applies for one. This is how JT Daniels is on his way to his 4th school.

What you are missing is the NCAA's role in this is simply reactionary to avoid lawsuits. They are "staying out the the way" and being vague on purpose. But in this, they are allowing everything. It's out of control because of the lack of restrictions. The lack of restrictions comes from an effort to avoid lawsuits.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18086 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Your post makes no sense.

Player benefits are tuition, meals, housing, Healthcare, cost of attendance stipend. None of that is an employee relationship.

NIL is a 3rd party arrangement.
The university can't stop it if they tried.
Gillette sponsors the NFL and New England Patriots.
But Gillette, the NFL, nor the New England Patriots can prevent David Andrews from signing a sponsorship with Norelco.

It is the same for the athletes.
There is no employment agreement.
No HR
No work comp
No OSHA
Equal Employer Opportunity.

You are making no sense.

I think the universities should do more. Family housing.. family transportation so parents can watch games. Healthcare for after playing days for injuries. That is where the additional revenues should first go.

But none of that has a single thing to do with NIL or the Supreme court.


Dude. Almost every school now has an NIL collective because there aren't enough corporate sponsors interested enough to give every athlete a marketing deal. The NIL collectives are a stop-gap measure instituted by the schools.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64524 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:49 pm to
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Most these transfers don't even start or get playing time.

I'd imagine not insignificant number of players in the portal are underclassmen, not just older players who are buried in a depth chart. And there are certainly plenty of guys in the portal who are starters or regular rotation players with significant playing time.

Regardless, that's all irrelevant. There is no discrimination currently on who can and can't enter the portal. Which is funny because schools are now required to honor scholarships for a full 4 years, regardless of whether players are "processed" from being a part of the football team, absent the players doing such things as committing crimes, failing out of school, etc. This has been the case in the major conferences since 2015

However, the players, now, can withdraw from those scholarships and play immediately whenever they want without penalty. They can negotiate an NIL deal commit to one school out of high school and another while in school. There are no safeguards whatsoever for the school. Free agency only works when there are actual rules and structure everyone must adhere to.

What we have now is a professional sports league without calling it that and without any of the expected and standard structures of any sports league around the world.

College football needs to acquiesce to the premise that student athletes are and should be paid contract employees of the school. However, the athletes will also need to acquiesce to the idea that with that also comes with the caveat that when they sign a contract with a school, they have to fulfill their obligations. If they don't like a coaching change, their playing time, or anything else, they either adhere to their contractual obligations as employees or they will find themselves in breach of their contractual obligations.

Now, with that also comes other benefits to the players such as a players union, benefits, and collective bargaining.

But this current construct of paying players and them not being locked into anywhere or anything and unbridled free-agency is not a sustainable model for any sports league. It benefits neither the programs nor the athletes to think the bottom won't inevitably fall out with out addressing these inherent issues.

Nothing about this is unfair to the players or an affront to capitalism. It's structuring a business (a very big one) in a way that is sustainable long-term.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 4:51 pm
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13362 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:57 pm to
They have to allow the players to look at what's best for their future as well as protect the school with all the money and time they invested in a player.

They should be allowed one outright transfer and have to sit out 1 year after more transfers except in certain situations.

A player should be able to transfer again:

For hardship reasons like before.

If the school is being put on probation for rules violations not related to them.

They don't get to play a certain amount of plays in a season (unrelated to injury).

HC changes. The committing to schools and not coaches is a lie. Players come because they like the coach but then they leave and a different style coach comes in it can hurt the players' future (especially if they don't fit the scheme).

Other reasons could be added.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32220 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:10 pm to
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Why?
Ole Miss had 28 transfers last year. That's why. It's ridiculous and NIL should be better controlled too. Before it's too late.
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
5793 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13362 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:23 pm to
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It's ridiculous and NIL should be better controlled too. Before it's too late.
It will control itself. Some players aren't going to sit back while other players get overpaid and they don't get their share. Then you will have divided locker rooms. Coaches don't want that.
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:24 pm to
Eat shite Chug.
Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
3585 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:38 pm to
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If you have to ask. Maybe college football is a bit too complicated for you.

Holds true if you think the NCAA has the power to put either genie back in the bottle.
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