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re: Let's Talk A&M, how far away are they?
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:50 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:50 pm to Numberwang
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We are the only school who has played A&M and State the past three seasons.
I know State was better than A&M the past three years.
I also know that I am more worried about coming out of Starkville with a W than I am College Station.
Can't tell if serious.
You know the past two years A&M has handed you that game on a platter, both times they appeared to be the better team.
3 years ago, you smacked the shyt out of them
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:50 pm to joe.liberst
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being second fiddle in TX is still better than being first in most states
agreed
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:51 pm to engie
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To refute the idea that your currently a recruiting powerhouse on the level of LSU and Bama and that will soon be competing on their level.
Good thing I never said that.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:52 pm to FormMorm
I think he's serious. I agree that MSU will be better than aTm this season.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 1:56 pm to engie
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To refute the idea that your currently a recruiting powerhouse on the level of LSU and Bama and that will soon be competing on their level.
You are doing nothing here but trying to twist the quality of your class, based on size advantage. Average star rating is the average quality of prospect that you sign. Currently, it's not that great, with very little room for improvement.
Your reasoning tries to make us believe that your current class is better than Texas' class, since after all, your ranked #6, while they are #11. Fool's gold, since you've got 27 commits to their 14 commits, and average star rating makes it obvious that they will still finish with a much better class.
Look at the actual classes for each school and how many kids of each caliber they bring in. If you did and still came away with that, you aren't very bright.
Let me give you an example since you seem to be having so much trouble with this:
If Team X has 1 5-star, 10 4-stars, and 5 3-stars and Team Y has 1 5-star, 10 4-star, and 10 3-stars, Team Y is going to have the lower average star ranking. But this isn't because they have more 3-stars INSTEAD of 4-stars and 5-stars. They simply have more 3-stars ON TOP OF THAT. They still have the same number of elite players as Team X, who has the higher average star ranking. In other words, the size of our class is what makes our average star rating lower, NOT what makes our class look good.
Texas has 1 5-star and 9 4-stars. We have 0 5-stars and 10 4-stars. Is this starting to sink in?
It really isn't a very hard concept.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:00 pm to maqueschoux
Players have never been the problem @ A&M. They can have good classes and still just not get there. I believe with the next 2 classes they can have a Good SEC Roster.
I think that they will need to upgrade their Staff to go with Sumlin. Line coaches and defense mainly.
I think that they will need to upgrade their Staff to go with Sumlin. Line coaches and defense mainly.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:12 pm to schlow mo
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quote: When Spurrier got to UF they were the #3 school in the SEC behind FSU and Miami.
Typo. Meant to say Florida.
Our DL Coach is Terry Price, he's a pretty decent DL coach.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:28 pm to FincAg11
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Look at the actual classes for each school and how many kids of each caliber they bring in. If you did and still came away with that, you aren't very bright.
Let me give you an example since you seem to be having so much trouble with this:
If Team X has 1 5-star, 10 4-stars, and 5 3-stars and Team Y has 1 5-star, 10 4-star, and 10 3-stars, Team Y is going to have the lower average star ranking. But this isn't because they have more 3-stars INSTEAD of 4-stars and 5-stars. They simply have more 3-stars ON TOP OF THAT. They still have the same number of elite players as Team X, who has the higher average star ranking.
Texas has 1 5-star and 9 4-stars. We have 0 5-stars and 10 4-stars. Is this starting to sink in?
It really isn't a very hard concept.
Christ your dense. I didn't realize today was NSD? Oh that's right, it's not. It's 6 months(not to mention a whole season) away. Your taking ONE metric(of the 8 to 10 possible ways to measure classes) and trying to tell us that your recruiting on an elite level that will put you at the top of the SEC west. BS smoke and mirrors.
Your class is full. You have at most 3-4 more spots to fill. Everyone else in the conference still have alot more slots to fill than you do. Still following?
In projecting classes, we must assume that all the other teams fill up to ~ 25 players(this is why average star ratings come into play). Assuming these other teams continue recruiting on the same level that they currently are, you end up with NO BETTER than the 4th best class in the west by the skewed Rivals metric that your bragging about here(and worse in every other metric).
But keep winning July recruiting championships. I'll be sure to bump this thread in February to show you where I was right...
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:29 pm to engie
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Christ your dense.
It's "you're". Not the best context for that mistake.
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and trying to tell us that your recruiting on an elite level that will put you at the top of the SEC west.
I stopped right there. There's no point in even trying if you're just going to make up shite that I never said in order to make it easier for you to form some sort of retort.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
At least 5 years before they contend.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:36 pm to WonderWartHawg
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At least 5 years before they contend.
Agreed (barring the highly unlikely chance of catching lightening in a bottle over the next 2-3 seasons).
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:36 pm to Ray Penpillage
Why exactly do you think A&M will be a distant 2nd to Texas for the forseeable future? A&M is now larger than Texas. A&M is at least on par with Texas in total AD success. A&M has comparable academics to Texas with each school having areas of strength. A&M has been on top of Texas before for the decade of '85-'95 where we killed them on the field and in recruiting.
Texas has sucked the last 2 years and no one is really predicting them to win the Big 12 this year in spite of the conference being down. A&M OTOH is going to the best conference in the land and will have huge games to sell recruits on along with being on national TV virtually every week. Texas now has a schedule filled with snoozers outside of the OU game. The Big 12 TV contract is a joke compared to the SEC. The coverage gap between the schools is going to be dramatic this year compared to the past and that isn't changing. The LHN only makes this worse by putting more and more Texas content on a network that no one even receives. SEC Media Days were a huge eye opener to a lot of sips here where they saw A&M get huge national pub and then the next week Big 12 Media Days looked like amateur hour. Sumlin got more pub for being on the "Car Wash" on Day 1 of B12 Media Days than the sips. The shift is dramatic with the mighty SEC behind A&M now.
The key for A&M actually isn't even to "beat" the sips. The key for A&M is to be on par with them. There is more than enough talent to go around, the key for A&M is for recruits in Texas to decide they are either going to A&M or Texas with the rare exception going to OU or LSU or elsewhere.
Texas has sucked the last 2 years and no one is really predicting them to win the Big 12 this year in spite of the conference being down. A&M OTOH is going to the best conference in the land and will have huge games to sell recruits on along with being on national TV virtually every week. Texas now has a schedule filled with snoozers outside of the OU game. The Big 12 TV contract is a joke compared to the SEC. The coverage gap between the schools is going to be dramatic this year compared to the past and that isn't changing. The LHN only makes this worse by putting more and more Texas content on a network that no one even receives. SEC Media Days were a huge eye opener to a lot of sips here where they saw A&M get huge national pub and then the next week Big 12 Media Days looked like amateur hour. Sumlin got more pub for being on the "Car Wash" on Day 1 of B12 Media Days than the sips. The shift is dramatic with the mighty SEC behind A&M now.
The key for A&M actually isn't even to "beat" the sips. The key for A&M is to be on par with them. There is more than enough talent to go around, the key for A&M is for recruits in Texas to decide they are either going to A&M or Texas with the rare exception going to OU or LSU or elsewhere.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:41 pm to FincAg11
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There's no point in even trying if you're just going to make up shite that I never said in order to make it easier for you to form some sort of retort.
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But one very promising thing is the current state of recruiting. We have the #6 class right now and if you think that's some sort of anomaly due to excitement from our first year in the SEC you're going to be disappointed. It's going to continue. Being the only SEC school in the state of Texas is going to guarantee a lot of that recruiting success by itself. And I bring up recruiting because our class right now is better than all but one school in the West according to Rivals. Am I saying this means something big for the short-term? No. But let's be blunt, the thing that effects your on-field performance more than any other metric is the actual players that you bring in. I don't think any rational person can disagree with that. So basic logic would tell us that if A&M consistently recruits in the top 10 to 15 every year, they should consistently BE a top 10 to 15 team. Same logic that applies to every other school. So if we bring in the top notch players like LSU/Bama/Florida does, yet we don't see near the success, it has to be coaching, right? That's why you hear so many A&M fans (and fans of other schools for that matter) say A&M is only a good coach away. Like LSU was with Saban and Florida was with Spurier. It's simply the most logical conclusion given the facts.
You spent multiple paragraphs talking about how your currently recruiting at an "elite level". You said #6 is NOT an anomaly. I pointed out that it is, in fact, an anomaly, and will be proven as such on NSD. Top 15 classes(where yours will finish) is NOT an elite level in the SECw. You said your class was better than all but 1 class in the west. It won't be. That's where you called out everyone else. I simply showed in my responses that your recruiting level is nowhere near as great as your making it out to be.
And to be clear, A&M does have tremendous upside potential. I'm not denying that. I agree with relating it to LSU before Saban for the most part. I just take issue with the idea that your already well on your way to seriously competing. I'd say that your on schedule to become a serious competitor. How long will that take? 5 years at the soonest...
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:45 pm to engie
When did I call our recruiting elite? Oh, and saying this years class is not an anomaly doesn't mean it's going to stay exactly that high every year, it simply means that recruiting AROUND THAT LEVEL will be the norm rather than the exception. Most rational people can understand this.
Called out? Jesus, what thread are you reading?
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That's where you called out everyone else.
Called out? Jesus, what thread are you reading?
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:46 pm to aggressor
Until we get some solid SEC ready DL depth, it will be difficult. Recruiting is going to be the key.
I'd be happy if we were able to compete for a SEC-W title in 5 years. Until then, I'd like to see us pick off a couple of the programs ahead of us each year.
If we could somehow win 4 conf. games this year I would consider that a successful campaign.
I'd be happy if we were able to compete for a SEC-W title in 5 years. Until then, I'd like to see us pick off a couple of the programs ahead of us each year.
If we could somehow win 4 conf. games this year I would consider that a successful campaign.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:50 pm to FincAg11
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When did I call our recruiting elite?
Right here.
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But one very promising thing is the current state of recruiting. We have the #6 class right now and if you think that's some sort of anomaly due to excitement from our first year in the SEC you're going to be disappointed.
You don't have to say the word elite to define the meaning. Calling for(around) top 6 classes every year is the definition of elite recruiting.
quote:Touche'
Most rational people can understand this.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 2:51 pm to engie
Since were obviously not going to agree on this point, why not make a wager out of it?
Where do you think our class will be on signing day?
Where do you think our class will be on signing day?
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:07 pm to FincAg11
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Since were obviously not going to agree on this point, why not make a wager out of it?
Where do you think our class will be on signing day?
According to what site? Rivals?
You finish 13-17th, slightly better than your average star ranking most likely due to the size of your class and Rivals' ranking method. You will absolutely be passed by Notre Dame, Bama, Auburn, Ohio St, Texas, Florida St in the coming weeks. Quite a few others could easily surpass you depending on how things go.
The best ranking has to be the new 24/7 composite rankings. You are currently #11 there with the #18 average star rating. You'll finish between #15 and #25 in that one most likely.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:19 pm to engie
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I think he's serious. I agree that MSU will be better than aTm this season.
This is most likely accurate.
Posted on 7/31/12 at 3:27 pm to Numberwang
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We are the only school who has played A&M and State the past three seasons.
I know State was better than A&M the past three years.
So, let me get this straight. From watching Arkansas play A&M and MSU, you have concluded that MSU is better? What was it, exactly, about your 44-17 win over State that convinced you they were better than the A&M team you had to come from 18 points behind to beat 42-38?
And don't give me this "one game" argument. You set this up yourself by noting that you are the only team to play them both the last three years. If you're going to claim that as the basis of your credibility, then your argument needs to USE that advantage and depend on YOUR games against them. So, go for it.
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