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re: Kirby gets it It's what scares me too
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:20 pm to Che Boludo
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:20 pm to Che Boludo
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Take a look a CfB history or even the present dynamics. Alabama is not alone in this, and your latching onto it and missing the bigger picture only shows your own bias. Likely nothing will change your view of the narrative you have latched onto, so good day.
No doubt they are not alone in this. They just perfected it to the point that NCAA stopped bothering to regulate it, mainly because they couldn't. So they opened the gate and said let the free market dictate. I am taking a look at CFB history when I say that CFB players have been "professionals" for decades. They finally got around to making it official.
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:27 pm to nicholastiger
A lot of people are complaining about the athletes getting paid. I see no problem with it other than that it's bad for parity in the sport.
The fact is college football is one of the biggest money-generating forms of entertainment in this country.
In many cases the training facilities are nicer, and the stadiums bigger than in the pros. It's hugely popular.
Think about how much MLB players get paid, and then consider that college football gets better TV ratings and sells way more tickets.
The fact is college football is one of the biggest money-generating forms of entertainment in this country.
In many cases the training facilities are nicer, and the stadiums bigger than in the pros. It's hugely popular.
Think about how much MLB players get paid, and then consider that college football gets better TV ratings and sells way more tickets.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:58 pm to WG_Dawg
The US Supreme court ruled student-athletes have the right to receive compensation. Beyond that the Bill of Rights guarantees everybody has the right to pursue happiness.
This is going to end up being fought in the courts regardless of what the NCAA rules are.
The best argument the NCAA could have made disappeared when the US decided to let pros compete in the Olympics. The line of amateur and professional is blurred.
More to the point many people are upset over mask mandates interfering with their rights. How in the world can you ignore a rule stating a US adult citizen cannot legally earn
This is going to end up being fought in the courts regardless of what the NCAA rules are.
The best argument the NCAA could have made disappeared when the US decided to let pros compete in the Olympics. The line of amateur and professional is blurred.
More to the point many people are upset over mask mandates interfering with their rights. How in the world can you ignore a rule stating a US adult citizen cannot legally earn
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:05 pm to ChromaticTide
Everyone is complaining about the parity. The portal was very helpful to Oregon this cycle. It seemed to help Michigan State last year. When was there parity in CFB?
Teams recruiting outside the top 10 can plug holes in their roster from bad luck now.
Teams recruiting outside the top 10 can plug holes in their roster from bad luck now.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:06 pm to nicholastiger
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I'm worried about the love and the passion that our fanbases have for the game going away, and that scares me the most."
It definitely has for me. I don't worry about it though, because I am not in the industry. If they want to run it in the ground there is nothing I can do.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:10 pm to Colonel Ingus
quote:Holy shite I hope you don't reproduce. Actual retard genes.
You’re right. It was way better when the players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves. We should go back to them not being able to be able to afford simple things in life while the universities get rich and all the fat cats get a raise. It’s much more entertaining when the kids stay poor, right?
NIL has been a long time coming. You can’t call yourself a capitalist then bitch about an 18 year old making money off of his own name. Everything will sort itself out in time, it’s what happens in a free market economy. This is all new, and new things scare people.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:24 pm to bisonduck
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Everyone is complaining about the parity. The portal was very helpful to Oregon this cycle. It seemed to help Michigan State last year. When was there parity in CFB?
When I was growing up schools could recruit and offer scholarships to as many people as they wanted. Bud Wilkinson's success was largely based on numbers. My favorite way to describe this is Pittsburgh and Majors. His first year at Pitt he signed 100, give or take depending on which claim you think is balanced, and that class won the Natty.
It was all about money in that era and the top 25 usually was the same teams every year. There is more parity now then when schools like OU, BAMA, tOSU, Scal, PSU,ND could offer as many scholarships as they wanted. Back then players enjoyed sitting on the bench until their SR year because they played for an annual powerhouse.
For instance, Oregon was not anything like they are now because of the money. Oregon is a powerhouse today and one of the reasons is they have the best facilities in football. The era we are in is going back to money in a huge way with NIL.
edtted to add back in my time many teams fielded and actually competed with other school's freshman teams.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:39 pm to nicholastiger
It’s already gone... has been weakening for quite a while... AU and the AU community milks every dollar it can from the alumni... it doesn’t have the same genuine feel and passion from the 80s, 90s and early 00s.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:50 pm to Luke
My daughter graduated from UGA (she wanted to go into the entertainment business and loved the Athens music scene). I spent northwards of 200 grand for the whole thing (14 years ago) so the idea that athletes were being taken advantage of is baloney IMHO.
As much as I dislike the wide open transferring and NIL stuff I suspect we will all bitch and moan about it but come Labor Day weekend we will all be ready to have at again. Hell, I'm ready now.
As much as I dislike the wide open transferring and NIL stuff I suspect we will all bitch and moan about it but come Labor Day weekend we will all be ready to have at again. Hell, I'm ready now.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 3:58 pm to nicholastiger
NIL plus the loss of tradition is bound to have a negative impact, but as long as ESPN is footing the bill...
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:36 pm to Drewbie
The courts have already deemed a student athlete making money off of their name, image and likeness as something that is their constitutional right as an American.
Any college kid can make money however they choose within the confines of the law. The NCAA decided to play god and step between student athlete and their right to make money as any other American citizen is allowed to.
The difference between you, me, your kids, or any of the millions of other regular college students is that we aren’t 6-4 300lb and run a 4.7 40. We can’t run like a gazelle and catch one handed passes. We can’t throw the ball 60 yards on one knee. There are are a select few people that can do those things. The American people are willing to spend over a billion dollars in revenue to watch those student athletes, but memorabilia and jerseys, etc. Those players should be able to make a cut of the profits of things that have their name on them.
If you think otherwise you are just jealous of others with more talent in their little finger than your whole body. Buy your jersey, drink your miller lite, turn on the game, shut the frick up and stop counting other peoples money.
Any college kid can make money however they choose within the confines of the law. The NCAA decided to play god and step between student athlete and their right to make money as any other American citizen is allowed to.
The difference between you, me, your kids, or any of the millions of other regular college students is that we aren’t 6-4 300lb and run a 4.7 40. We can’t run like a gazelle and catch one handed passes. We can’t throw the ball 60 yards on one knee. There are are a select few people that can do those things. The American people are willing to spend over a billion dollars in revenue to watch those student athletes, but memorabilia and jerseys, etc. Those players should be able to make a cut of the profits of things that have their name on them.
If you think otherwise you are just jealous of others with more talent in their little finger than your whole body. Buy your jersey, drink your miller lite, turn on the game, shut the frick up and stop counting other peoples money.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 4:46 pm to Colonel Ingus
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If you think otherwise you are just jealous of others with more talent in their little finger than your whole body. Buy your jersey, drink your miller lite, turn on the game, shut the frick up and stop counting other peoples money.
Yeah I’m totally jelly of kids who know nothing in life, getting millions, to act like fools and piss it away.
Most of us dgaf about money, it’s the fact it ruins the sport and amateurism.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 5:01 pm to WG_Dawg
Players don't get anything free; they earn it.
It's as stupid as me saying my employees get free money when I run payroll.
If it were truly "free" they wouldn't have to be good enough to qualify and remain at a certain level to retain the access.
It's as stupid as me saying my employees get free money when I run payroll.
If it were truly "free" they wouldn't have to be good enough to qualify and remain at a certain level to retain the access.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 5:53 pm to Colonel Ingus
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all the fat cats get a raise
Um the fat cats are the ones who are stroking the checks.
This is what cracks me up. Other than the coaches, who do you think is getting rich? You realize the coaches are all former players, right? These are higher paying jobs who rarely if ever go to someone who wasn't a player.
You must think the University of Florida paid Ben Hill Griffin to get his name on the stadium.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 5:56 pm to momentoftruth87
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Yeah I’m totally jelly of kids who know nothing in life, getting millions, to act like fools and piss it away.
Most of us dgaf about money, it’s the fact it ruins the sport and amateurism.
Athletes spend more time honing their skills than most of the influencers and reality tv types. Their sport generates billions of dollars for their dedication and at times major injuries.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 6:09 pm to NorthPark
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Athletes spend more time honing their skills than most of the influencers and reality tv types. Their sport generates billions of dollars for their dedication and at times major injurie
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Athletes spend more time honing their skills than most of the influencers and reality tv types.
You mean they play sports while growing up like every other kid?
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Their sport generates billions of dollars for their dedication and at times major injuries.
Most of them are not that dedicated, which is why they won't make it in the NFL. Also where do you think the money goes? It doesn't go to the big boosters, it comes from them. There are costs to running a football program. It would be like paying the grunts in the Marine Corp because they are doing all the heavy lifting.
God forbid they have to wait until they are 21 to make millions. Let's get NIL for high school and even Junior High.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 6:23 pm to NorthPark
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Athletes spend more time honing their skills than most of the influencers and reality tv types. Their sport generates billions of dollars for their dedication and at times major injuries.
This whole argument looks to be a generational thing. Those of us who've watched college football for 20, 30, 40 years know what it took to "generate billions", and why it did so. We also have some real-world experience that understands what happens if the sport no longer generates billions. We don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
When the NCAA canceled the NCAA hoops tournament during COVID they ran old NCAA games. I watched a UNC v Georgetown game that had 5 future NBA HOFers. Only 1 was a freshman (Mr. Michael Jordan). I realized exactly how much we've lost and why I don't watch college hoops the way I used to. I don't want to see that happen to the sport I'm most passionate about.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 6:23 pm to Colonel Ingus
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The courts have already deemed a student athlete making money off of their name, image and likeness as something that is their constitutional right as an American.
The Sherman Antitrust Act isn't in the Constitution.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 6:31 pm to NorthPark
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More to the point many people are upset over mask mandates interfering with their rights. How in the world can you ignore a rule stating a US adult citizen cannot legally earn
Based upon your argument, there shouldnt be 4 to 5 year eligibility requirements. Let 30 year olds play college football. (Capitalism, amirite).
You completely miss the concept of amateur athletics. Once they are pros, they should compete against the best players. Why limit to 18-23 year olds?
Posted on 2/21/22 at 7:06 pm to meansonny
They aren’t signing a contract to play for the team like a pro does. They simply have an opportunity to make money off their likeness. It’s the schools and boosters that have turned this into a Pay for play thing. Everybody complained about Tx AM doing it but really wish it was their school. Also, if you don’t think the best talent has been going to schools for money for the last 60yrs or more, your crazy. Saban figured out a booster system that raked in top classes every year. Now some of those kids he would have normally gotten went to AM. For the money! It’s always been about the money. Now it’s just more.
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