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re: Is the current Alabama program greatest ever?
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:58 pm to BlackCloud
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:58 pm to BlackCloud
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You are so unaware. When LSU fans talk about bama we don't speak with awe. We speak with disdain of a culture so poor, fat, lazy and stupid that their favorite pastime is following college football 24/7/365. We are laughing at you, pal.
Ummm, wrong.....
And this is from a man who has LSU alums and players in his family...... try again....
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:01 pm to BlackCloud
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My Auburn friends agree with me wholeheartedly. They often refer to your fanbase with the same adjectives.
LOL...using little sister to back you up.... they are even more jealous than LSU fans......
and to all the Auburn fans, Auburn graduate James Brooks says "Hi"
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:15 pm to RollTide1987
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I most certainly have doubts. He was recruiting well at LSU but nowhere near to the level he's been recruiting at Alabama.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, Saban had more credibility when he took the Bama job than he did when he was at LSU. In 2007, he was a national championship coach with two years of NFL HC experience. He didn't have all that going for him when he was recruiting at LSU (he was still building his reputation) but still pieced together a championship caliber program at a school that's far from a blue blood. That program would go on to win another natty a few years later under a lesser coach and it would have been two (2011) had Saban not returned to CFB.
If Saban had stayed at LSU and became a legend there with multiple national titles I have no doubt he would have recruited just as well as he does at Bama. And again, this is LSU we're talking about. It's not even a blue blood program.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:24 pm to Sid E Walker
Are you in the REC Sid? If so you know damn well who I am talking about. If not you are just a fan, ask a member
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:26 pm to TutHillTiger
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:39 pm to Globetrotter747
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And again, this is LSU we're talking about. It's not even a blue blood program.
Which is why everything you described above would have never happened. LSU has a ceiling. Saban reached it and bolted for the NFL. He realized he didn't like the professional game and went to a program where no ceiling exists: Alabama.
It had nothing to do with needing to build a reputation at LSU. If anyone needed to build a reputation it was Pete Carroll. He had absolutely no experience in the college game and was USC's fifth or sixth choice. But the man immediately started to make an impact on the recruiting trail because 1) he knew how to speak to kids and 2) he was at USC. A blue blood program with tons of history and tradition.
USC made Pete Carroll just like Alabama made Nick Saban. There were still many people in the media, including some LSU fans, who believed that what Saban did at LSU was a fluke and that he really wasn't that great of a coach. A good coach? Sure. But worth $4 million? No. Truth is, however, it was Nick Saban who made LSU and not the other way around. You had a grand total of five 10-win seasons prior to Saban's arrival in 2000. You have had nine 10-win seasons since the year 2000.
And does he truthfully win national championships at LSU in 2005 or 2006? Doubtful. LSU was good but I don't believe they had the experience to tackle the likes of Texas or USC in 2005. And I still think they lose to Florida with Saban at the helm in '06.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:38 am to Globetrotter747
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I agree that it's obviously a combination, but I wouldn't call it a 50/50 combination. If Saban had never left LSU I have no doubt he would have multiple national titles and I doubt Bama would have any this century.
Nobody can validly make that assumption..."what ifs" are food for dreamers.Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:59 am to TutHillTiger
You and black cloud are the shining examples of the bitter, envious LSU fan that just can't accept the fact that Alabama OWNS LSU in football, while maintaining a better won/loss record in basketball AND baseball. You have no idea how pathetic you appear to posters from ALL the schools when you whine and moan and make silly excuses for LSU's failures against Alabama. You're too stupid to realize that you'd be better off to just keep your mouths shut and let it slide than to bring further attention to the superiority by howling about it......dumb fricking coonasses. 
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:53 am to MullenBoys
With today's CFB parity across-the-board, strength of SEC, and constant target on Bama's back weekly, it's the most impressive run ever.
5 national titles (3 BCS & 2 CFB playoffs)
5-2 overall during CFB playoffs
127-20 in 11 years (8 loses happened 1st 2 years)
72-13 in SEC (7 loses were in 2 seasons 07' & 10')
10-4 in bowl games (Including playoff win/losses)
65 or so players drafted by NFL (More coming 18')
Many All-American & All-SEC honors
What Saban/Bama have done is unmatched
Only Miami in late 80's & early 90's is close
5 national titles (3 BCS & 2 CFB playoffs)
5-2 overall during CFB playoffs
127-20 in 11 years (8 loses happened 1st 2 years)
72-13 in SEC (7 loses were in 2 seasons 07' & 10')
10-4 in bowl games (Including playoff win/losses)
65 or so players drafted by NFL (More coming 18')
Many All-American & All-SEC honors
What Saban/Bama have done is unmatched
Only Miami in late 80's & early 90's is close
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:55 am to TigerMeister
I don’t believe that. Too many “firsts” while at Bama for that to be true. He never went undefeated before. Never won champ with winning league or even div. No program would have provided all the keys to the kingdom and stayed out of his way.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:07 am to Tigahtildeath
quote:An excellent point!
No program would have provided all the keys to the kingdom and stayed out of his way.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:15 am to Tigahtildeath
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I don’t believe that. Too many “firsts” while at Bama for that to be true. He never went undefeated before. Never won champ with winning league or even div. No program would have provided all the keys to the kingdom and stayed out of his way.
So true
Bama + Saban = Perfect-storm with lots of passion
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:42 am to RollTide1987
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Which is why everything you described above would have never happened. LSU has a ceiling. Saban reached it and bolted for the NFL.
Les Miles won a national title with the remnants of Saban's program at LSU and would have won a second had Saban himself not returned to the SEC. It's perfectly resonable to say Saban would have won at least three national titles at LSU from 2003-2011 and very possibly more than that.
No, Saban hadn't reached his ceiling at LSU. He simply wanted to try the NFL and Alabama is damn lucky he did and wanted to come back at a time when Bama was as desperate as a bum on the street to find a coach and win football games.
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It had nothing to do with needing to build a reputation at LSU.
Saban had more clout in 2007 than he did in 2000. No question that helped in recruiting, even though he won the SEC quicker at LSU than at Bama and only needed one year longer for a natty.
Saban stays at LSU all these years and he has multiple national titles and Bama is his whipping boy no matter who is coaching in Tuscaloosa.
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USC made Pete Carroll just like Alabama made Nick Saban
Since the 1970s, USC hasn't done shite outside of what Pete Carroll built and Carroll has since gone on to win a Super Bowl and was one play away from another. Saban won a title at LSU and would have turned it into a monster had he stayed. Bama had a five game losing streak to Auburn and was getting passed up by coaches like Rich Rodriguez when Saban came.
Here's the truth: Resources matter. No one is going to win a national title at Iowa State. But among the top 10-15 programs the ones with the best coaches are going to win the most games and championships.
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There were still many people in the media, including some LSU fans, who believed that what Saban did at LSU was a fluke and that he really wasn't that great of a coach. A good coach? Sure. But worth $4 million? No. Truth is, however, it was Nick Saban who made LSU and not the other way around. You had a grand total of five 10-win seasons prior to Saban's arrival in 2000. You have had nine 10-win seasons since the year 2000.
And from 1983-2006, Bama won one natty, just two outright SEC titles, and had a losing record against both Auburn and Tennessee.
But, man, those five national titles, five outright SEC titles, winning record against Auburn, and undefeated record against Tennessee are all due to Saban just being lucky enough to be at Bama.
Take Nick Saban away and I don't think LSU or Bama has a national title this century.
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And does he truthfully win national championships at LSU in 2005 or 2006? Doubtful. LSU was good but I don't believe they had the experience to tackle the likes of Texas or USC in 2005. And I still think they lose to Florida with Saban at the helm in '06.
All of that might be true. We don't know and getting the breaks has a lot to do with it. LSU definitely would have been contenders in those years. But no question Saban wins multiple natties at LSU and I don't think Bama wins a single time without him, especially if they have to compete directly against him.
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You and black cloud are the shining examples of the bitter, envious LSU fan that just can't accept the fact that Alabama OWNS LSU in football, while maintaining a better won/loss record in basketball AND baseball. You have no idea how pathetic you appear to posters from ALL the schools when you whine and moan and make silly excuses for LSU's failures against Alabama. You're too stupid to realize that you'd be better off to just keep your mouths shut and let it slide than to bring further attention to the superiority by howling about it......dumb fricking coonasses.
Are you talking to me? Hell, I graduated from Alabama. But I don't care who wins games and championship. I am just a football fan.
But what I'm telling you is that every program in the SEC is Nick Saban's bitch, including Alabama. If Nick Saban told the PTB at Alabama that he was going to leave for Texas or the Dallas Cowboys or whoever unless he received X, Y and Z, he would get it.
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I don’t believe that. Too many “firsts” while at Bama for that to be true. He never went undefeated before. Never won champ with winning league or even div. No program would have provided all the keys to the kingdom and stayed out of his way.
You stay out of his way because he tells you to.
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Bama + Saban = Perfect-storm with lots of passion
About like Lebron James and some overweight accountant would be the perfect storm in a 2 on 2 basketball tourney down at the local YMCA.
LSU and Bama should thank their lucky stars to have had Nick Saban. Otherwise, those seven combined natties this century quite possibly would be zero.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:15 am to Globetrotter747
Saban stays at LSU, he wins 5 more titles minimum.
2006 was LSUs most talented team ever. Those were Sabans players 100% and LSU, not UF would have won the title.
2007 same result.
2011 yep
Saban was still building and improving when he left. He probably would have picked up a couple of more titles as well and would probably still have about the same total number had he stayed at lsu.
2006 was LSUs most talented team ever. Those were Sabans players 100% and LSU, not UF would have won the title.
2007 same result.
2011 yep
Saban was still building and improving when he left. He probably would have picked up a couple of more titles as well and would probably still have about the same total number had he stayed at lsu.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:19 am to BlackCloud
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BlackCloud
Alabama was a dyfunctional mess from 1997-2007. We were not a mess from 1982-1996. We were just another really good program, not the elite one of Bryant or Saban.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
Saban would have obviously improved and gotten better and more consistent at LSU, but I think the NFL tenure helped him analyze and improve himself tremendously. I'm not sure he's the same machine of consistency the last 10 years without it.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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but I think the NFL tenure helped him analyze and improve himself tremendously. I'm not sure he's the same machine of consistency the last 10 years without it.
Didn't he bring the idea of hiring "analyst" from the NFL and bring it to Bama?Don't believe he had em at LSU
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We were not a mess from 1982-1996. We were just another really good program, not the elite one of Bryant or Saban.
won a lot of games and also happened to win a title during that time
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:36 am to RD Dawg
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Didn't he bring the idea of hiring "analyst" from the NFL and bring it to Bama?Don't believe he had em at LSU
The concept yea. However, we didn't start hiring ex-head coaches and those types until more recently.
He brought a lot of the general front office structure from the NFL, from Player Personal to management structure to scouting stuff. A lot of he already did from his time in Houston and Cleveland, but I think his process changed a little.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:38 am to RD Dawg
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Didn't he bring the idea of hiring "analyst" from the NFL and bring it to Bama?Don't believe he had em at LSU
Saban had already spent quite a few years in the league with the Oilers and as Belichik's DC at Cleveland. I think that goes more to the notion that at Bama, they are willing to pay up and give Saban whatever he wants in that regard. He probably couldn't or wouldn't get all those resources at other schools.
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