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re: Iron Bowls involving two ranked teams
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:34 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:34 pm to BHMKyle
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Statistically, Auburn is really weighted down from those first two games when the offense struggled and Tank was not a big part of the gameplan.
In the first 2 games (UK & UGA), Tank averaged just 7 carries for 23 yards/game..... as a result, the Auburn O struggled. They averaged just 3.97 total yards/play and only 15.5 first downs per game.
In the next 4 games (ARK, SC, OM, LSU), Tank averaged 19 carriers for 114 yards/game..... as a result, the Auburn O found its identity and averaged 6.26 total yards/play and just under 22 first downs per game.
Then of course Bigsby was injured early against UT (3 carries for 24 yards) and the Auburn offense once again seemed to struggle. It was the first time since playing UGA in which the Auburn offense produced fewer first downs than its opponent.
They were a little bit better - but they were also playing worse defenses.
Yards Per Play as a % of Opponent Averages - w/ Tank (OM, USC, Ark, LSU)
Passing: 87% (AU 7.55 vs 8.66 Opp Avg)
Rushing: 117% (AU 5.35 vs 4.56 Opp Avg)
Yards Per Play as a % of Opponent Averages - w/o Tank (UK, UGA, VOLS)
Passing: 88% (AU 7.23 vs 8.21 Opp Avg)
Rushing: 111% (AU 4.62 vs 4.16 Opp Avg)
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 1:35 pm
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:39 pm to BHMKyle
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1. Tank needs to play and he needs at least 20 touches
2. Bo Nix has to play a near error-free game with zero interceptions
Good overall analysis, with statistical information that goes along with what is perhaps the gut feeling here for most of us.
I'll add that Auburn's defense has seemingly been getting gashed on the ground, so if Alabama's run game gets rolling (which theoretically opens up the deep ball even more so), then Alabama should generally be able to control the tempo.
If Tank and the two OL are out, there may be immense pressure on Bo to make hero plays to keep up, which falls back to the points you're making about his ability to play error-free football.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:51 pm to BHMKyle
If our front 7 was better I’d feel less confident in an Auburn beating. We give up big plays like we did several years ago. Our only hope is Tank Bigsby playing and us literally limiting Bama’s possessions in dramatic fashion
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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the best Auburn team in 60 years
2004 AU beats 2010 AU by 10 points.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:54 pm to plazadweller
Just saw where Gus said KJ is out for the IB, and Tank still questionable. Hate it for KJ, heck of a player. Hope Tank can go for you guys.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:55 pm to schatman
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2004 AU beats 2010 AU by 10 points.
Yea, I will admit to totally whiffing on 2004
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:58 pm to skrayper
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2004 was a way weaker SEC than 2010
Hyperbole. 2004- back when teams played FEWER games...
LSU was 9-3 and defending National Champs with 1 of the losses to AU
UGA was 10-2 with 1 of those losses to AU- a beatdown
UT was 10-3 with 2 of those losses to AU- and a fluke loss to Notre Dame in the last minute
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:04 pm to plazadweller
Regardless of whether he ever becomes more than a middling SEC QB, I do think Bo Nix is dynamic enough to eventually have breakthrough outing in a big spot or two.
I'm not Bo's biggest fan, and I don't really think that'll happen on Saturday, but that makes this type of game (big games featuring mediocre AU teams) a bit more watchable IMO. Or at least it feels like less of a lost cause than when we had Johnson/White/Franklin helming the ship.
I'm not Bo's biggest fan, and I don't really think that'll happen on Saturday, but that makes this type of game (big games featuring mediocre AU teams) a bit more watchable IMO. Or at least it feels like less of a lost cause than when we had Johnson/White/Franklin helming the ship.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:06 pm to schatman
In theory I think the 2004 team was 10 points better than 2010.
But I don't think Cam lets the 2010 team lose at all, much less by 10.
But I don't think Cam lets the 2010 team lose at all, much less by 10.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:13 pm to labamafan
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I don’t know our LBs love some eye candy. If Kentucky had not quit doing what they were successful at they’d have run for 300 yards and missed 10 more FGs. Auburn is typically a thorn in Bamas side. They play better than they are and they have been getting better as the season goes on. Bamas defense appears improved but that’s against TN, GA, KY and MSST. I don’t know how good they really are
Posted on 11/24/20 at 2:50 pm to schatman
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Hyperbole. 2004- back when teams played FEWER games...
LSU was 9-3 and defending National Champs with 1 of the losses to AU
UGA was 10-2 with 1 of those losses to AU- a beatdown
UT was 10-3 with 2 of those losses to AU- and a fluke loss to Notre Dame in the last minute
In 2004, 4 SEC teams finished in the top 25; Auburn was one of them. You beat one top 10 team, and the other two were #13 and #15.
In 2010, 6 SEC teams finished in the top 25; Auburn was one of them. You beat two top 10 teams, and the others were #12, #15 and #22.
Most succinctly put, you played in the toughest division in college football where all but one team was in the top 15.
The conference was tougher, and your 2010 beat more ranked teams. Higher ranked ones as well.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:02 pm to skrayper
So essentially Arkansas and AL took the place of Tennessee and UGA. The other 2 ranked teams were a 4 loss MSU and a 5-loss South Carolina. In 2004, The SEC tied with 2 other conferences with the most teams in the top 25 final edition.
We'll agree to disagree. 2010 might be stronger, but the SEC wasn't "way weaker" in 2004 just because bama was down. That's revisionist history. Again, LSU was the defending champ, Tennessee was top 10 when AU beat them, and UGA was top 5 when AU beat them.
We'll agree to disagree. 2010 might be stronger, but the SEC wasn't "way weaker" in 2004 just because bama was down. That's revisionist history. Again, LSU was the defending champ, Tennessee was top 10 when AU beat them, and UGA was top 5 when AU beat them.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:07 pm to AUDevil
Year 8 of a HC and Auburn claims to have one of the worst online’ sans interior dline. What the hell has that top 3 paid staff been doing over there?
Unacceptable in many SEC programs.
Unacceptable in many SEC programs.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:20 pm to skrayper
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In 2004, 4 SEC teams finished in the top 25; Auburn was one of them. You beat one top 10 team, and the other two were #13 and #15.
This is incorrect. Auburn beat several teams who were in the top 10 at the time of the game. Nobody gave Auburn much of a chance against Va. Tech in the Sugar Bowl because they were considered to be as hot as anybody going into the bowl game.
at the time of the game..........
LSU #4
Tenn. #9 (first game)
UGA #8
Va. Tech #9
ETA IIRC, Tenn. had three losses on the season. Two to Auburn.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:22 pm to RT1941
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Unacceptable in many SEC programs
Unacceptable on the Plains as well. That's why you won't find many AU fans that will get their feelings very hurt if AL lays the lumber to them- if it gets Gus one step closer to the door.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:24 pm to MrAUTigers
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall AU was #3 and UGA was #5 going into that game.
And yes- if UT wasn't playing AU, they likely are 12-1 and looking at #3 under USC and Oklahoma as well. It was an absolute fluke that they lost to ND that year.
And yes- if UT wasn't playing AU, they likely are 12-1 and looking at #3 under USC and Oklahoma as well. It was an absolute fluke that they lost to ND that year.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:33 pm to MrAUTigers
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top 10 at the time of the game
No one cares.
Also, the argument was about the strength of the SEC. WTF does Virginia Tech have to do with anything?
Posted on 11/24/20 at 3:39 pm to skrayper
To quote you.......
I was showing you that you were incorrect. A little less than a third of Auburn's schedule was against Top 10 teams.
...........but you bama math it however you want.
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In 2004, 4 SEC teams finished in the top 25; Auburn was one of them. You beat one top 10 team, and the other two were #13 and #15.
I was showing you that you were incorrect. A little less than a third of Auburn's schedule was against Top 10 teams.
...........but you bama math it however you want.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 6:52 pm to MrAUTigers
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I was showing you that you were incorrect. A little less than a third of Auburn's schedule was against Top 10 teams.
...........but you bama math it however you want.
The original post was about the strength of the SEC. If you read a little, you'd grasp that.
Probably asking too much of an Auburn grad, but here we are. Tell you what - get your cousin who graduated from South Alabama to explain it to you.
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:30 pm to skrayper
The Alabama fans hanging on to the illusion of being the preeminent academic school in the state is one of my favorite things about this rivalry
"the university"
"the university"
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