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re: Iron Bowls involving two ranked teams

Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:39 pm to
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2010 and Cam say hello



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Rarely



Yes, the best Auburn team in 60 years if not ever. And they won by 1 against a 3 loss Alabama team.

So like I said, it's rare.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:41 pm to
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Yes, the best Auburn team in 60 years if not ever.



BS. The 2004 team would have throttled the 2010 team.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:41 pm to
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**In 6 of those games, Bama was ranked between 5 and 16 spots lower (1960, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1993, 2010)... Auburn is 5-1 in those games


Yea, the 1980s are the decade where most of those occurred. In the 1990 and early 2000s one of us was good/average or one of us was bad (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004) or we were both relatively even (1993-1996, 2001, 2002).
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:42 pm to
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The 2004 team would have throttled the 2010 team.


Throttled? Come on

I mean at worst 2004 goes up 27-17 in the 3rd and Tubs runs the ball 26 straight times
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:43 pm to
The 2004 team was loaded on both sides of the ball. More weapons on O and a far superior D.


ETA Arky scored 20 and bama scored 28. Those are the only two who got out of the teens.

This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:48 pm to
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ETA Arky scored 20 and bama scored 28. Those are the only two who got out of the teens.



We sure as hell didn't score 28. Spencer Pennington couldn't score 28 points on an empty field with no clock.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:49 pm to
You are right. Tenn. scored 28. bama scored 13.

ETA nonetheless, 2004 was superior in every way except QB.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72175 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:50 pm to
Edit. Forgot about the SEC title rematch.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72175 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:52 pm to
Well they did score 10 in the Knoxville.

But clearly I care as much as you do about being wrong a game score from 16 years ago.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:53 pm
Posted by mckibaj
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:53 pm to
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So like I said, it's rare.


It’s a small sample size at BDS anyway. 10 games total since stopped playing at Legion Field. 5-5 in those 10 games.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30866 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:54 pm to
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2019 and no one thought #1/#2 Alabama would lose those games


Gonna call bullshite on this one here. Once Tua was out, a lot of people figured Alabama would lose or at least it'd be a struggle. Most were simply surprised it was a high scoring game considering:
Auburn's defense (great)
Auburn's offense (not-so-great)
Alabama's starting QB (first ever road start, see AU's defense)

That Alabama scored over 40 points while committing two turnovers was surprising to a lot of us. That Auburn scored over 30 while on offense was surprising as well. (Emphasis added because a lot of people will skip over it otherwise and misread the statement.)
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28286 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:55 pm to
You jumped into a convo you shouldn't have. So apparently you cared to a certain extent.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:55 pm to
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It’s a small sample size at BDS anyway. 10 games total since stopped playing at Legion Field. 5-5 in those 10 games.



The Saban/Malzahn era has been pretty consistent

- Tight games at Jordan Hare where Auburn ALWAYS outperforms the line/expectation, even in a loss (2015).

- Tight to semi-tight games for a half in Tuscaloosa where Alabama takes command in the 2nd half and wins comfortably.
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
30866 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:57 pm to
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ETA nonetheless, 2004 was superior in every way except QB.


2004 was a way weaker SEC than 2010. Not sure you can directly compare the two, considering who 2010 Auburn had to beat comparatively.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72175 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:57 pm to
So we were both wrong. Got it.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:57 pm to
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Gonna call bull shite on this one here.


Yea, most of us who aren't insane homers had no idea what to expect at Auburn last year. We were concerned about our defense and had literally zero expectations for Mac.

I didn't expect to have that much success on offense, but I also didn't expect to throw 2 pick 6s. So those kind of equaled out I guess.
Posted by CincinnatiTiger
Cincinnati, OH
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:58 pm to
Auburn will cover +24. With or without Tank.

Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:20 pm to
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Auburn will cover +24. With or without Tank.


I think Tank is the difference. If he is healthy and ready to play, I think the game will follow the usual script and stay close for a half.

Statistically, Auburn is really weighted down from those first two games when the offense struggled and Tank was not a big part of the gameplan.

In the first 2 games (UK & UGA), Tank averaged just 7 carries for 23 yards/game..... as a result, the Auburn O struggled. They averaged just 3.97 total yards/play and only 15.5 first downs per game.

In the next 4 games (ARK, SC, OM, LSU), Tank averaged 19 carriers for 114 yards/game..... as a result, the Auburn O found its identity and averaged 6.26 total yards/play and just under 22 first downs per game.

Then of course Bigsby was injured early against UT (3 carries for 24 yards) and the Auburn offense once again seemed to struggle. It was the first time since playing UGA in which the Auburn offense produced fewer first downs than its opponent.

From what I can tell, the Auburn offense hinges on two main things:

1. Tank needs to play and he needs at least 20 touches
2. Bo Nix has to play a near error-free game with zero interceptions.

In that loss to South Carolina, Auburn outgained the Gamecocks 481-297 in total yards. They averaged 1.37 more yards per play. The reason they lost was Bo Nix threw 3 interceptions and they got away from running the ball. Nix threw 47 passes. He should never throw that many times in a game.... and Tank only had 16 runs.

I think Bama's defense is good, but they definitely have given up chunks of yards at times. For Auburn to have a shot, they need Tank healthy and he needs around 25 carries. Nix needs to stick to around 30 total passes and he can't afford an interception. If they are able to stay inside those parameters, I think it could stay a close game going into the 4th quarter.

But too many times Nix makes very costly mistakes, especially in big games. And that's why I have my doubts that they'll be able to achieve that type of mix.

And if Tank can't play, I really don't see any way Auburn can keep up.
Posted by Pauldingtiger
Alabama
Member since Jan 2019
841 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:30 pm to
Don’t waste your time watching this game. It maybe the Iron Bowl but Alabama by +35. Make your life happier and go hunting or hang out with your family. Auburn’s D-line and O-line both sux. Bo will probably get hurt in this game and be out the rest of the year.
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