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I still have no idea what LSU has actually done wrong

Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
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Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:36 pm
The NCAA sets eligibility requirements. A court order said these players from the 2022 class can come back this year. LSU said “come on.” The SEC says “no.” LSU says they’ll comply, but they want to know who sets the rules on eligibility? The NCAA? A state court? The SEC? So, they keep collection with the players in case they are deemed eligible, because we all know if LSU backs off and the players are ruled wligible, every other SEC school will go after them, just as they are already doing in case they can.

But, LSU and Lane are the problem?

I’m happy to criticize LSU. I do it all the time. I can’t figure out why everyone is losing their minds over this. We’re already paying players millions. THIS is the big issue?
Posted by Wellborn
Cypress, TX
Member since Oct 2014
5249 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:40 pm to
That’s a pretty convenient rewriting of what happened. The court didn’t tell LSU to sign former NFL players, it temporarily blocked the SEC from enforcing its rule. The SEC then adopted its own rule prohibiting schools from rostering players who had professionalized. LSU/Kiffin chose to pursue those players anyway, including two of Kiffin’s former Ole Miss players.

So no, this isn’t simply “who sets the eligibility rules?” It’s LSU trying to exploit a temporary court order to gain a competitive advantage while the SEC says its conference rules still apply. And the “everybody else would do it” argument is basically an admission that LSU wants to do it first.
This post was edited on 9/3/26 at 2:41 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
21683 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:40 pm to
If only we had a flowchart documenting all the various parties and their involvement.

This site has never really had anyone with alpha energy to develop a really in depth flow chart describing all of the intricate details of things like this.

Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21680 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:43 pm to
But, you know everyone else will do it. And, who sets the eligibility rules? The SEC or the NCAA? The court order matters. LSU said it would comply with SEC rules. But, they wanted to see what the actual ruling was.

How is this different from Ole Miss fighting for a 6th year for Chambliss? Schools fight for players all the time against set rules, but it’s always with the NCAA. When have we seen the SEC making its own rules on player eligibility?

Who is really going rogue here? LSU or the SEC?
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7090 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:46 pm to
there was a flowchart

SEC says

it said NFL mini camp is not a professional.
it said NFL training camp is a professional
it said NFL games is a professional

LSU says

it said NFL mini camp is not a professional.
it said NFL training camp is not a professional
it said NFL games is a professional

Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
25023 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:46 pm to
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I still have no idea what LSU has actually done wrong


Something the rest of the league did not think of and are mad we figured out the loophole first. Now they are doing everything they can to make sure LSU is not better while they try to sign players, looking at you USCe
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
59418 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:47 pm to
The contract is the smoking gun.

According to Sankey, the contract means you are an NFL player and cannot participate in SEC football.
Posted by Wellborn
Cypress, TX
Member since Oct 2014
5249 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:47 pm to
The SEC isn’t “making up eligibility rules.” The SEC is enforcing a conference roster rule that its member schools agreed to follow. The court order temporarily prevented enforcement of the eligibility restriction, it did not order the SEC or LSU to declare these players eligible.

And the Chambliss comparison isn’t equivalent. Ole Miss was asking the NCAA for an individual eligibility waiver under the NCAA’s process. LSU is recruiting/retaining players whose eligibility is specifically disputed under an SEC rule. Those are two different things.

“who sets the rules?” The NCAA governs NCAA eligibility, but the SEC can impose additional conference participation/roster rules on its members. A court can temporarily block enforcement of a rule, but that doesn’t automatically make the players eligible.
Posted by OMapologist
Member since Oct 2015
692 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:48 pm to
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Who is really going rogue here? LSU or the SEC?


The 16-0 (LSU included) & subsequent 15-0 (LSU abstaining) vote pertaining to this issue that took place within the SEC on this issue should clearly indicate who is going rouge.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28687 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:50 pm to
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The NCAA sets eligibility requirements. A court order said these players from the 2022 class can come back this year. LSU said “come on.” The SEC says “no.” LSU says they’ll comply, but they want to know who sets the rules on eligibility? The NCAA? A state court? The SEC? So, they keep collection with the players in case they are deemed eligible, because we all know if LSU backs off and the players are ruled wligible, every other SEC school will go after them, just as they are already doing in case they can.


You're missing the whole fricking point - Wright and Harris (among others) signed professional contracts and played (and were paid) as professional football players. That bell can't be unrung.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
74695 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:51 pm to
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And the “everybody else would do it” argument is basically an admission that LSU wants to do it first.

Except pro players have literally played in this conference before and the conference did nothing about it.
Posted by Windy City
Member since Jun 2019
2340 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

How is this different from Ole Miss fighting for a 6th year for Chambliss? Schools fight for players all the time against set rules, but it’s always with the NCAA. When have we seen the SEC making its own rules on player eligibility?


In the Chambliss case, the very narrow issue was whether the NCAA unfairly denied his request for a medical redshirt. He had chronic respiratory issues and severe tonsillitis in 2022 when playing for Ferris State. The NCAA denied his request for a medical redshirt three times, and a judge finally said that the NCAA was ignoring its own standards on medical redshirts and that he deserved the extra year of eligibility that was clearly permissible under the existing NCAA rulebook.

It was not a case of trying to invalidate existing rules via small town judges ala Lane Kiffin and LSU. It was a case of forcing the NCAA to apply its own rules fairly.
This post was edited on 9/3/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
11843 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:52 pm to
Wild that half the league is doing the same thing!
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
8673 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:53 pm to
They were only given the option of the red pill even though the issuer knew the blue pill was going to be an option. Then their peers were given the option of the red pill or blue pill
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
74695 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:53 pm to
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You're missing the whole fricking point - Wright and Harris (among others) signed professional contracts and played (and were paid) as professional football players. That bell can't be unrung.

I don't believe Harris ever even practiced, Wright practiced but didn't appear in any games.

Everyone is paid. Meh. Not like we haven't had pros in the conference before.
This post was edited on 9/3/26 at 2:55 pm
Posted by Wellborn
Cypress, TX
Member since Oct 2014
5249 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:54 pm to
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You're missing the whole fricking point - Wright and Harris (among others) signed professional contracts and played (and were paid) as professional football players. That bell can't be unrung.

Nobody is disputing that they played pro football. That’s exactly why the SEC has a rule about it. The question is whether the SEC can enforce that rule against players covered by a court order, not whether their professional history magically disappears.

“The bell can’t be unrung” is an opinion about eligibility, not an answer to who has the legal authority to determine it.
Posted by GhostofAlfredBlue
Member since Nov 2023
157 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:56 pm to
Do you realize LSU had nothing to do with the TRO? or are you just listening to the TV?
Posted by Bryno1960
Off River Road
Member since Aug 2013
4396 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:57 pm to
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The SEC is enforcing a conference roster rule that its member schools agreed to follow.


So, what you're basically saying is that LSU hasn't broken any roster rule set forth by the conference due to the fact the players in question aren't on the official roster submitted to the league office.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
74695 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

In the Chambliss case, the very narrow issue was whether the NCAA unfairly denied his request for a medical redshirt. He had chronic respiratory issues and severe tonsillitis in 2022 when playing for Ferris State. The NCAA denied his request for a medical redshirt three times, and a judge finally said that the NCAA was ignoring its own standards on medical redshirts and that he deserved the extra year of eligibility that was clearly permissible under the existing NCAA rulebook.

It was not a case of trying to invalidate existing rules via small town judges ala Lane Kiffin and LSU. It was a case of forcing the NCAA to apply its own rules fairly.


It's using hometown judges to circumvent eligibility rules.

The same in both cases, just different causes.
Posted by BobLeeDagger
In Your Head
Member since May 2016
7536 posts
Posted on 9/3/26 at 3:00 pm to
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Wild that half the league is doing the same thing!



Genuine question, are there any other players that actually signed NFL contracts?
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