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re: How Does A Program Implode?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:48 am to SidewalkTiger
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That was all before the current offensive revolution.
The game changed, Jimbo didn't.
And yet he has beaten LSU 2 of the 3 games they have played. As for offense, as another poster noted, LSU just discovered the forward pass a couple of years ago
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:51 am to ColoradoAg
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Yes, that is why speed is the number one requirement at WR this year for Fisher. That is why a track star is the "backup" RB at A&M. Because Fisher is incapable of change.
Les Miles did all of this
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:52 am to SidewalkTiger
FSU put up plenty of points with Fisher, but at the end of the day winning the trenches matters. I'm plenty happy with the direction of A&M football these days.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:53 am to C W
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And yet he has beaten LSU 2 of the 3 games they have played.
Okay? How does that refute my statement about his offense?
The last two seasons he's only scored two touchdowns combined.
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As for offense, as another poster noted, LSU just discovered the forward pass a couple of years ago
No doubt.
That's why I recognize it. Not sure why you're attempting to deflect to LSU.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:54 am to Leto II
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Urban Meyer took Ohio State to the playoffs, won the NC there and is now an NFL coach. Jimbo Fisher drove FSU into the ground, can't even win his division and has a losing record to Gus Malzahn in his current job.
I'd take Urban Meyer all day long. Anybody with any sense would too.
Urban is an interesting case study. What he left behind at Utah and Ohio State gave the next guy every opportunity to succeed, which they have both done. Not so much at Florida, where the only thing that really held it together there at the end was Tebow, and once he was gone it all went into the shitter pretty much immediately.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:55 am to bamameister
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I have a friend who sits on a few executive boards at FSU
Implosions of that magnitude usually start at the very top, so someone like this is probably the most defensive, most willing to spin, and least likely to self-examine. Program collapses are almost always due to over-zealous boosters meddling in something they don't understand.
Jimbo is an easy scape-goat as he left stage-left, but the subsequent tailspin of FSU shows the issues run a whole lot deeper.
The whole concept that a coach can do such deep and lasting damage that a program needs decades to recover is pretty silly to me. In three years, Baylor went from Art Briles unleashing the rapists and nearly earning the death penalty to Matt Rhule taking them to the Sugar Bowl.
I remember when Craig James and a bunch of Texas Tech boosters ran Mike Leach out of town, killing the one good thing that they ever had in football.
I remember our own cletus BOD crowd paying through the nose for Fran.
I just can't imagine a Nick Saban or Urban Meyer type coach taking direction from some alumni real estate developer contributor with a lot of impassioned hot takes. They are unfortunately the exception in coaching hence so many programs going tits up.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:55 am to CrimsonClover
You are dumb by gump standards, which puts you way up in class for a worldwide ranking.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:57 am to ColoradoAg
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FSU put up plenty of points with Fisher
Mostly when they were playing inferior ACC teams.
Les Miles put up plenty of points on teams with less talent too, although Jimbo's offense isn't nearly as Stone Age as Miles'
Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:58 am to Windy City
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Implosions of that magnitude usually start at the very top, so someone like this is probably the most defensive, most willing to spin, and least likely to self-examine. Program collapses are almost always due to over-zealous boosters meddling in something they don't understand.
Yeah, thats not the case, but go on...Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:02 am to Windy City
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Jimbo is an easy scape-goat as he left stage-left, but the subsequent tailspin of FSU shows the issues run a whole lot deeper.
Jimbo's issues at FSU were that he:
1. Didn't hold players accountable, leading to a lax environment after winning the title. This has been stated by both former coaches and players on those teams.
2. Hit on Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Jameis Winston and then proceeded to miss on every quarterback thereafter.
3. His offense is just outdated for the most part.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:06 am to imjustafatkid
You misspelled reality
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:56 am to SidewalkTiger
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2. Hit on Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and Jameis Winston and then proceeded to miss on every quarterback thereafter.
Of all the points to ding the man, this is one I don't get. He basically had 4 QBS in his tenure at FSU excluding the Everett Golson transfer. 3 were 1st round picks and one won a Heisman. In his one full season during 2016 under Fisher, Francois had a great season and FSU won the Orange Bowl and finished at #8 in the country. He missed the entirety of 2017 due to injury.
He then completes his greatest feat by coaching Kellen Mond into a third round pick.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 11:57 am to CrimsonClover
See Alabama after Stallings.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:23 pm to ColoradoAg
Here is the deal on facilities. Jimbo was so full of himself he actually demanded they tear down Dick Howser Stadium and build a football facility there. FSU was in process of ponying up for the football facility, but tearing down the baseball stadium was NEVER going to happen. The AD(ACC Basketball guy)was an idiot that bolted for the NCAA Office. He and Jimbo constantly butted heads. When Bonasorte died, Jimbo saw the writing on the wall.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:26 pm to CrimsonClover
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How Does A Program Implode?
Take a curve at speed on Highway 23, Crosses, Arkansas
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:32 pm to 4Ghost
It is all about money. Facilities, boosters, recruiting, paying players...Chizik imploded because the f’ing NCAA sat in his office for the next two years. They couldn’t even do 100$ handshakes. Plus, you have to recruit leaders at the player level or it all falls apart. I don’t remember FSU but I feel like they had NCAA troubles with famous Jameis.
Go look at program collapses and you will find the NCAA is involved in most cases. Saban has a free pass here because his buddy runs it.
Go look at program collapses and you will find the NCAA is involved in most cases. Saban has a free pass here because his buddy runs it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:39 pm to AUX3
The biggest issues are boosters that want to feel "a part" of the program, and interfere on a consistent basis
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:48 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
I believe that is actually "How Does a Cervix Implode?"
Posted on 6/8/21 at 1:38 pm to Windy City
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He then completes his greatest feat by coaching Kellen Mond into a third round pick.
Aggies keep saying this but Mond was a very high prized recruit who was always projected to be a mid round pick.
It isn't like he was some middling three star or walk on.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 1:47 pm to CrimsonClover
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I'm mostly talking about how a program implodes while under the leadership of a great coach
They don’t, that’s what makes a great coach great.
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Now that I think of it, Mack Brown at Texas is another great example of this.
See above. In the 7 seasons since Mack was fired, Texas has won a total of 48 football games. In Mack’s last 7 seasons they won 65 and played for a national title. They imploded when they thought they could do better.
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