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re: How did Alabama lose 50 spots in college rankings over the last 10 years?
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:13 pm to Plainsman_Au
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:13 pm to Plainsman_Au
Again, Alabama has eclipsed most flagship universities in the US.
With places like LSU going broke and their governor threatening to shut down sports programs, crumbling libraries where students had to start Go FundMe because the school is broke...they should try to learn a thing or two when viewing the gleaming campus at Alabama.
With places like LSU going broke and their governor threatening to shut down sports programs, crumbling libraries where students had to start Go FundMe because the school is broke...they should try to learn a thing or two when viewing the gleaming campus at Alabama.
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With state funding now just 12.5 percent of the university’s budget, campus leaders have mapped an offensive strategy to grow in size, prestige and, most important, revenue. The endgame is to become a national player known for more than championship football. Berkeley, the University of Michigan and University of Virginia are the schools “we compare ourselves against,” said Kevin W. Whitaker, Alabama’s interim provost.
The University of Alabama is the fastest-growing flagship in the country. Enrollment hit 37,665 this fall, nearly a 58 percent increase over 2006. As critical as the student body jump: the kind of student the university is attracting. The average G.P.A. of entering freshmen is 3.66, up from 3.4 a decade ago, and the top quarter scored at least a 31 on the ACT, up from 27.
Each year, about 18 percent of freshmen leave their home state for college in another. They tend to be the best prepared academically and most able to pay, said Thomas G. Mortenson, senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education, who tracks this data. Achieving students are likely to be bound for successful lives, enhancing their alma mater’s status and, the hope is, filling its coffers with donations. Schools want them.
Merit aid given to achievers has a magnetic effect. “If we recruit five students from a high school, we will get 10 students the next year and they may not all be scholarship students,” said Stuart R. Bell, president of the University of Alabama.
Instead of layoffs and cuts, some public universities facing budget challenges are following this blueprint for survival: higher charges to students, and more of them. Nowadays, the real money comes from tuition and fees. The average for four-year public colleges rose 81 percent in constant dollars between 2000 and 2014. At Alabama, tuition and fees have about doubled in the last decade, to $10,470 for residents and to $26,950 for nonresidents.
Even when it awards full-tuition scholarships, the university makes money — on dorm rooms and meal plans, books, football tickets, hoodies and school spirit items like the giant Bama banner Ms. Zavilowitz and her roommates bought for the blank wall in the suite’s common area. All told, these extras and essentials brought in $173 million last year — on top of $633 million in tuition and fees, up from $135 million in 2005.
In the past decade, the university has added 64 buildings, including an engineering research quad with labs for testing combustion engines and large-scale structures (a “shake table” simulates earthquakes).
“The university must have campus facilities that are competitive to meet student enrollment goals,” according to the 2014-15 financial statement. Gleaming new labs await researchers, and there are plans to expand graduate programs and hire 300 to 400 new faculty members in the next five years. Around Tuscaloosa are cranes, fenced-off construction zones and new apartments (8,270 additional beds since 2012). The parking lots are license-plate bingo heaven.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:14 pm to Plainsman_Au
It sucks that the ranking has gone down, but I don't see any evidence that the quality of the actual education has declined.
I suspect it has to do with doubling in size using second tier out of state students and that instate employers don't pay well compared to TN, FL and GA which impacts certain scoring factors.
Personally I would've remained at 25k enrollment, but they didn't ask me. That said, I would highly recommend the school to anyone who asked me whether to send their child there.
Greek Life
Campus environment
Safe
Beautiful dorms
Quality instructors
Its never going to be Vanderbilt, but if you are comparing it to other similar profile schools I would put it over much of the SEC and ACC.
For example FSU is ranked #55. I'm sure because of the size of the instate FL population that they are more selective instate for admissions, but you aren't going to convince me that FSU is radically different from a qualitative educational standpoint than Bama.
Its in a tier with schools like Ole Miss, NC State, Auburn or Tennessee.
No employer is going to distinguish between those schools in a significant way in relation to applicants unless they have personal ties.
I suspect it has to do with doubling in size using second tier out of state students and that instate employers don't pay well compared to TN, FL and GA which impacts certain scoring factors.
Personally I would've remained at 25k enrollment, but they didn't ask me. That said, I would highly recommend the school to anyone who asked me whether to send their child there.
Greek Life
Campus environment
Safe
Beautiful dorms
Quality instructors
Its never going to be Vanderbilt, but if you are comparing it to other similar profile schools I would put it over much of the SEC and ACC.
For example FSU is ranked #55. I'm sure because of the size of the instate FL population that they are more selective instate for admissions, but you aren't going to convince me that FSU is radically different from a qualitative educational standpoint than Bama.
Its in a tier with schools like Ole Miss, NC State, Auburn or Tennessee.
No employer is going to distinguish between those schools in a significant way in relation to applicants unless they have personal ties.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:16 pm to Plainsman_Au
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There are areas of other learning(s) that combine into a thing called a "University" that don't drop 80 places as a school in a very short time-frame with very simple rankings. Talk about your Med-School... please.
You don't own that one either
None of these sentences made sense or is true.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:17 pm to Crimson K
He shouldn’t have ended the sentence with at
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:19 pm to secuniversity
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With places like LSU going broke and their governor threatening to shut down sports programs
LA has $3 billion surplus
I think that was about six years ago. Last I heard, the state had a huge budget surplus with LSU standing to benefit.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:27 pm to tide06
It has gone down. You can't double your yearly attendance that quick and hope and pray for qualified professors to fill in the gaps.
That is not how it works, and that is a slap in the face to educators that work their asses off to get a Masters in order to teach at a University (minimum).
You pulled too many students, for money. You deserve to drop.
That is not how it works, and that is a slap in the face to educators that work their asses off to get a Masters in order to teach at a University (minimum).
You pulled too many students, for money. You deserve to drop.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:30 pm to Plainsman_Au
I trust the douchebags that rate universities as much as I trust the douchebags at CNN or the United States government, which is zero.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:36 pm to llfshoals
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And yet our attendance is up to 38k, we’re building housing on campus at a breakneck pace, and will be over 40k soon. Not seeing a problem here.
Thank you for perfectly describing a “diploma mill”
Posted on 7/27/22 at 11:47 pm to Crimson K
Good! Use your words.
English is very powerful.
Tomorrow, we learn how the
Alabama Lawyers saved the Earth with a degree that literally no one can verify in certification outside of the Proud State of Alabama for usefulness, ever.
Why do you guys think that you are on a TV show for Lawyers all of the time?
Very strange.
English is very powerful.
Tomorrow, we learn how the
Alabama Lawyers saved the Earth with a degree that literally no one can verify in certification outside of the Proud State of Alabama for usefulness, ever.
Why do you guys think that you are on a TV show for Lawyers all of the time?
Very strange.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:01 am to secuniversity
Bro. Read that article again.
That is why you are, where you are, as a "University".
You seem proud of that, too.
You can't be that stupid or proud.......can you?
That is why you are, where you are, as a "University".
You seem proud of that, too.
You can't be that stupid or proud.......can you?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:18 am to Mulkey Man
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recruiting second-tier students from Louisiana for at least five years.
Well if you had any first tier students we'd take those, just like your athletes.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:20 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Well if you had any first tier students we'd take those, just like your athletes.
Please.
The only Louisiana students y'all are getting are rich New Orleans kids whose daddies couldn't get them into Tulane.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:22 am to magildachunks
Would you stop interrupting my insults, please?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:24 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Would you stop interrupting my insults, please?
I'm not interrupting...I'm enhancing.
Bama must be doing something right. Those kids used to go to Ole Miss. Any school to help foment their life-long hatred of LSU.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:28 am to secuniversity
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With places like LSU going broke and their governor threatening to shut down sports programs, crumbling libraries where students had to start Go FundMe because the school is broke...they should try to learn a thing or two when viewing the gleaming campus at Alabama
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:08 am to Plainsman_Au
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Plainsman_Au
Look at this motherfricker here trying to pretend like somehow a university education is supposed to make you ready for the real world. All an education can do is give you the tools that the real world uses to conduct business. It doesn't make you a businessman. The fact that you live in your mom's basement is solely your own fault.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 2:55 am to Plainsman_Au
Someone here posted this:
“The University of Alabama is the fastest-growing flagship in the country. Enrollment hit 37,665 this fall, nearly a 58 percent increase over 2006. As critical as the student body jump: the kind of student the university is attracting. The average G.P.A. of entering freshmen is 3.66, up from 3.4 a decade ago, and the top quarter scored at least a 31 on the ACT, up from 27. “
Bama basically accepts most applicants and is trying to grow aggressively. Auburn is getting more selective (2021: Avg GPA 3.9, ACT 29; 2022 numbers should reveal more selectivity), sacrificing growth for quality but still receiving lots of applications:
“The demand for an Auburn degree has never been greater, with the university recently topping the 40,000 mark in freshmen applications for fall 2022—an all-time high. The record number of applications for next fall is a 68.5% increase from those received for fall 2021 and a 155% increase from fall 2020”
“The University of Alabama is the fastest-growing flagship in the country. Enrollment hit 37,665 this fall, nearly a 58 percent increase over 2006. As critical as the student body jump: the kind of student the university is attracting. The average G.P.A. of entering freshmen is 3.66, up from 3.4 a decade ago, and the top quarter scored at least a 31 on the ACT, up from 27. “
Bama basically accepts most applicants and is trying to grow aggressively. Auburn is getting more selective (2021: Avg GPA 3.9, ACT 29; 2022 numbers should reveal more selectivity), sacrificing growth for quality but still receiving lots of applications:
“The demand for an Auburn degree has never been greater, with the university recently topping the 40,000 mark in freshmen applications for fall 2022—an all-time high. The record number of applications for next fall is a 68.5% increase from those received for fall 2021 and a 155% increase from fall 2020”
This post was edited on 7/28/22 at 5:03 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 4:50 am to llfshoals
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And yet our attendance is up to 38k, we’re building housing on campus at a breakneck pace, and will be over 40k soon. Not seeing a problem here. What’s your attendance at?
So you’re pleased Bama is turning into a mediocre diploma mill?
Posted on 7/28/22 at 5:32 am to Plainsman_Au
That's what happens when you recruit for quantity over quality
Posted on 7/28/22 at 5:32 am to llfshoals
It’s not about attendance….
Excellence is not the same as Enrollment..
If that were the case , UCF would be ranked higher than the Ivy’s.
Excellence is not the same as Enrollment..
If that were the case , UCF would be ranked higher than the Ivy’s.
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