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re: Has Kirby Smart passed Spurrier? I say ....
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:25 am to GoldenDawg
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:25 am to GoldenDawg
Spurrier was more innovative and transformative.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:26 am to armtackledawg
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You are trolling though, right?
This is the rant, aren't' we ALWAYS trolling about SOMETHING???
As for the validity and nature of my arguments here in this thread, "No comment...."
(You'll just have to draw your own conclusions...)
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:30 am to GoldenDawg
This thread is the epitome of insecurity. “We’re pretty good but everybody please look at us and tell us how good we are”. Just sad.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:34 am to WG_Dawg
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We have 7 years of data on Kirby as a HC and like 20+_ years on spurrier as a HC. That's plenty to go on.
Not really.
The point ZERO UGa fans have addressed; What new offensive or defensive scheme has Kirby pioneered while at UGA?
Until that question can definitively be answered by UGA fans, you have to give the nod to Spurrier, because of how his offensive game plans fundamental changed the game of college football as we know it. While Spurrier was extremely successful everywhere he went, the proliferation of his offensive concepts or variations of it are still found everwhere across the landscape of both college and pro football.
When the dust settles 30+ years from now, Kirby might be remembered for championships, but Spurrier will be remembered for changing the game.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:35 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:37 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Spurrier's first 7 seasons in the SEC -
Yes, Smart has surpassed Steve Spurrier and it ain't close.
49-5 with 3 undefeated conference records / 5 SEC Championships / 1 National Title
Kurby's first 7 seasons in the SEC -
48-9 with 2 undefeated conference records / 2 SEC Championships / 2 CFP Titles
HBC was better than Kirby in the SEC in each of their first 7 seasons and
quote:5 SEC's for HBC / 2 for KS
it ain't close
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:38 am to Lonnie Utah
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Is this about recruiting ability or coaching ability? I'm confused....
Recruiting ability IS coaching ability. I’ve never understood knocking a college coach on the basis of “he just brought in great talent”. As if:
A) Almost every great championship-winning coach in the history of the sport wasnt also a great recruiter. (Do you get punished for being better at it?)
B) There aren’t teams every year that have immense amounts of talent and play like shite (see this year’s TAMU). You’ve got to coach that talent up or you’re still not going anywhere.
Georgia’s recruiting and player development are both light-years ahead of where it was under Mark Richt, who by the way is a CFB Hall of Famer.
It’s part of the game and, by extension, part of coaching.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:38 am to Lonnie Utah
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What new offensive or defensive scheme has Kirby pioneered while at UGA?
Lol
We have no offensive or defensive scheme.
We change our plan of attack each week based on the opponent.
We are Bruce fricking Lee.
We are like water.
You put a label on it and you are wrong.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:39 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:39 am to BranchDawg
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Recruiting ability IS coaching ability
In the world on NIL where the $$$ is king, (and the only time Kirby has won a championship BTW), this is absolutely NOT true.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:42 am to meansonny
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We change our plan of attack each week based on the opponent.
You're talking about tactics. I was talking about strategy.
I would expect you don't know the difference.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:43 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:43 am to Lonnie Utah
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In the world on NIL where the $$$ is king, (and the only time Kirby has won a championship BTW), this is absolutely NOT true.
Georgia's NIL program is built around retention. Not about recruiting.
Yes, we have gone heavy on portal entries this year. But we were not the highest bidder on at least one of them (likely not the highest bidder on any of the 3).
We aren't unique in this approach.
Bama is running their program the same way.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:43 am to AwgustaDawg
Fake news. If we were going by the BCS era or before, you guys don’t even make the Natty last year. You lost to Bama in the SEC title game. It would have been Bama vs Michigan.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:43 am to Lonnie Utah
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You're talking about tactics. I was talking about strategy.
I would expect you don't know the difference.
I'm not in your head.
Go ahead and help me out.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:45 am to GoldenDawg
Are you going to claim Saban is not as good of a Coach because he didn't do well at Miami?
How you Coach in the NFL has nothing to do with how you Coach in College. Its a completely different style.
How you Coach in the NFL has nothing to do with how you Coach in College. Its a completely different style.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:46 am to GoldenDawg
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Has Kirby Smart passed Spurrier? I say
First, Why is that a thing to you?
Next, How in the frick do you say fat Kirby is a better coach? Wins? Oh yes, because he did that on his own.
Hey, how 'bout you start a my Dad can beat up your Dad thread next.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:50 am to meansonny
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Go ahead and help me out.
I'll get you started, but you'll have to figure the rest out on your own.
Tactics: A weekly game plan based upon your opponents strengths and weaknesses.
Strategy: An offensive of defensive concept or plan that can be applied universally.
In general, tactics support strategy. In one you're reacting to your opponent. The other, your opponent is reacting to you.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:56 am to Lonnie Utah
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The point ZERO UGa fans have addressed; What new offensive or defensive scheme has Kirby pioneered while at UGA?
This is the first I've been asked or seen it so I'll answer. The answer is; none. HE hasn't invented anything new. So what? You judge a coach based on their accomplishments on the field, however those are won doesn't really matter. Although if you wanted to get crazy you could argue that kirby did bring back old school SEC ball when nobody else was doing it anymore. Around 2014ish the SEC basically threw defense to the wind and went all in on fast paced up tempo passing offenses. Kirby was the only one still running the ball, game managing the passwing game, and focusing primarily on defense. Once we got monken the offense took off as well, but kirby's entire MO has been the opposite of pretty mcuh all other SEC ocaches.
And to go back to your ogiianl point, if anything it amkes kirby look better considering he didn't catch the entire conference off guard for nearly a decade. Spurrier was running an offense people hadn't seen before, so sure he gets points for innovation but can't you likewise argue it'd be easier to win that way? It's also worth pointing out that spurrier didn't have the video game style juggernaut in his way that kirby has. The biggest obstances spurrier had to overcome were a decent to elite alabama depending on the year, and a really good UT. UF and UT have been down for kirby which is great, but he's had the most dominant dynasty the sport has ever seen (played them 5 times in kirby's 7 years), throw in a 2019 LSU, this year UT, etc and the top to bottom competition faced isn't even close.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:57 am to Smokeyone
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Spurrier had a personality, something Kirby never will.
Kirby’s got a good bit more personality than Shrek Hypel.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:58 am to Lonnie Utah
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Until that question can definitively be answered by UGA fans, you have to give the nod to Spurrier, because of how his offensive game plans fundamental changed the game of college football as we know it.
Listen, I’ve been arguing with you in this thread on points, but if Kirby retired today, Spurrier would go down as the better coach all-time IMO. It is a close debate though and the most important thing to remember is that Kirby isn’t done yet. Book still being written and all that.
What happens if Kirby coaches 10 more years and wins 2 or 3 more titles? Would that still be surpassed by Spurrier’s “changing the game” box tick?
What about Saban? Is he higher on the list than Spurrier? He certainly hasn’t changed the game from a schematic standpoint the way Spurrier did. Winning and championships are the ultimate measuring stick at the end of the day.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 8:00 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:00 am to GoldenDawg
Ah Florida had the SEC grind plus FSU and Miami to deal with.
Georgia has played Alabama. And is 1-4 with the Alabama victories being absolute blowouts. I mean take you outside country boy arse whippings. I mean Alabama kicked the crap out Georgia so badly, it sort of makes one wonder if y’all deserve aNC that doesn’t involve playing Alabama.
Georgia has played Alabama. And is 1-4 with the Alabama victories being absolute blowouts. I mean take you outside country boy arse whippings. I mean Alabama kicked the crap out Georgia so badly, it sort of makes one wonder if y’all deserve aNC that doesn’t involve playing Alabama.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:00 am to Lonnie Utah
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In the world on NIL where the $$$ is king, (and the only time Kirby has won a championship BTW), this is absolutely NOT true.
What a stupid assertion you are making
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