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re: Has Kirby Smart passed Spurrier? I say ....
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:36 am to BranchDawg
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:36 am to BranchDawg
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The is the stupidest take in this thread. You do know Spurrier coached at fricking FLORIDA, right? There are enough elite athletes in that state to stock 3 championship rosters every year.
Yes, and Spurrier had to recruit against at least 2 other powerhouse schools in that State. Kirby doesn't have to worry about that.
BUT the statement was NOT how many were in the STATE. IT was how many were in proximity to the SCHOOL where they coached. Well, here it is....
D1 recruits by zip-code.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:37 am to Lonnie Utah
Oh and, Spurrier didn't have a potty mouth, so one more check in his column...
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:46 am to Lonnie Utah
Kirby is really more comparable to Charley Pell. Same type of coach. Charley got the Good Ole Boy network against him though, so he NCAA took care of him. Spurrier was way to clean for them to get anything on him. Nothing they could do but grin and take it.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:48 am to bigDgator
People forget, Spurrier won an ACC championship at DUKE, something that's not been repeated since he did it....
Until Kirby proves he can win at a program other than UGA (a program where EVERTHING lines up in his favor), there will always be a "question mark" about his REAL coaching ability...
Until Kirby proves he can win at a program other than UGA (a program where EVERTHING lines up in his favor), there will always be a "question mark" about his REAL coaching ability...
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 6:50 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:49 am to GoldenDawg
Spurrier had a personality, something Kirby never will.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:50 am to Lonnie Utah
If they have equal talent, Spurrier no doubt
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:54 am to Lonnie Utah
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Yes, and Spurrier had to recruit against at least 2 other powerhouse schools in that State. Kirby doesn't have to worry about that.
No he doesn’t, but if we’re using your proximity argument, then you know he does have to compete with Alabama, Auburn and Clemson for the Atlanta-area talent.
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the statement was NOT how many were in the STATE. IT was how many were in proximity to the SCHOOL where they coached. Well, here it is.... D1 recruits by zip-code.
That map proves my first post correct. UF has just as much if not more talent around it as UGA does. Atlanta is a bigger hotbed than Jacksonville, Tampa and Orlando, but Florida gets all three of those in its backyard.
Your OP is a flimsy argument that you have to bend over backwards and create highly specific and gerrymandered parameters to support.
Georgia has tons of backyards talent. Florida has tons of backyards talent.
Kirby did not have any advantage there that Spurrier did not also enjoy at UF.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:03 am to BranchDawg
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Georgia has tons of backyards talent. Florida has tons of backyards talent.
Ok, then. Explain Spurrier's success at South Carolina and Duke where he didn't have a talent advantage. How would Kirby do at those schools...
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:04 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:03 am to BranchDawg
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Kirby did not have any advantage there that Spurrier did not also enjoy at UF.
True.
I wonder how Kirby would have done at Duke if it was his first college coaching job?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:06 am to Smokeyone
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Spurrier had a decent haircut, something Kirby never will.
Don't forget this one either...
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:09 am to Lonnie Utah
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Ok, then. Explain Spurrier's success at South Carolina and Duke where he didn't have a talent advantage. How would Kirby do at those schools...
Maybe just as well, maybe not. We’ll never know because Kirby’s going to retire at UGA.
It’s worth noting that what Spurrier did at Carolina and Duke is not comparable to what he did at Florida or what Kirby’s done at Georgia. What he did do is give both of those schools the best run in program history. It’s not like he made them annual title contenders. He made them good, which was something they had not previously been.
Would Kirby elevate Carolina? I think so. Carolina thought so too, because they were about to hire him away from Bama, which was the reason UGA went ahead and pulled the trigger on firing Richt despite a 10-win season.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:12 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:13 am to BranchDawg
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UGA went ahead and pulled the trigger on firing Richt despite a 10-win season.
Which pretty much proves the point of the folks in this thread saying Kirby didn't build anything at UGA and that he walked into a national championship caliber team....
...And it still took him 5 years to get over the hump.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:14 am to GoldenDawg
Not yet. Spurrier coached at a high level for 2+ decades in the SEC. Kirby has 7 years. Kirby’s first 7 are as good as Spurriers maybe better, imo. But long ways to go to match his total career.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:14 am to GoldenDawg
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Has Kirby Smart passed Spurrier? I say ....
Maybe...let's look at the programs the 5 years leading up to their arrival, and their first 7 years at the helm (since Kirby has been at Georgia for 7 seasons).
Record 5 years prior
UGA - 50-17 (30-10) - 2 SEC East Titles
UF - UF - 35-22-1 (18-14) - 1 SEC Title
Record first 7 seasons
Smark- 81-15-0 (48-9) - 4 SEC East Titles; 2 SEC Titles; 2 NCs
Spurrier - 73-14-1 (49-5) - 5 SEC East Titles; 5 SEC Titles; 1 NC
Note...Florida ineligible for SEC Championship Spurrier's first season due to NCAA Probation. Still finished 1st in SEC. Otherwise, Florida would have been SEC Champion in 6 of Spurrier's first 7 seasons. Divisions didn't exist until 1992...so Spurrier won the division 100% of his first 7 seasons and was the top team in the SEC 6 of his first 7 seasons.
To summarize...Spurrier took over a worse situation, and had more overall success at Florida with regards to Division and SEC titles than Smart in the first 7 seasons. Smart has had more bowl success than Spurrier in the first 7 seasons.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:19 am to Lonnie Utah
Lonnie, you can't really believe the bullshite you are posting, can you?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:21 am to armtackledawg
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Lonnie, you can't really believe the bull shite you are posting, can you?
Is it obvious that UGA fans are still triggered by SOS?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:22 am to Lonnie Utah
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Which pretty much proves the point of the folks in this thread saying Kirby didn't build anything at UGA and that he walked into a national championship caliber team....
Which wasn’t what I was arguing against.
However, Georgia was NOT a championship caliber team when Kirby arrived.
They went 10-3 in 2015, but they got waxed at home by Alabama 38-10 and lost to mediocre Tennessee and Florida teams. Do you view 2021 Kentucky as a championship-caliber team, because 2015 Georgia was far closer to that than they were 2022 Georgia.
The roster Kirby inherited also wasn’t championship-ready. They had a whopping ONE player drafted after his first season - Isaiah McKenzie in the 5th round.
His first team - 2016 - had 14 guys who went on to be drafted. We had 15 drafted last year alone. Can you spot the difference?
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:24 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:23 am to Lonnie Utah
I'm not, but some are for sure. Getting your arse whipped by a guy will do that. You are trolling though, right?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:24 am to BranchDawg
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His first team - 2016 - had 14 guys who went on to be drafted. We had 15 drafted last year alone. Can you spot the difference?
Is this about recruiting ability or coaching ability? I'm confused....
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:25 am to Lonnie Utah
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Until Kirby proves he can win at a program other than UGA (a program where EVERTHING lines up in his favor), there will always be a "question mark" about his REAL coaching ability...
these kinds of statmeents are always so dumb. I guess we should also question the REAL coaching abilities of tom landry, vince lombardi, belichek, etc since none of those guys won a CFP playoff championship?
You can't ding a guy's accomplishments becuase of some hypohetithcal shortcoming he may have in a scenario you've created in your head. You only judge them based on what they've actually done.
We have 7 years of data on Kirby as a HC and like 20+_ years on spurrier as a HC. That's plenty to go on.
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