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re: Greatest CFB QB to never win a Heisman?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:54 pm to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:54 pm to PhillyFan1994
Easy. Jim Bob Cooter.
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:01 pm to PhillyFan1994
Perhaps not the greatest, but perhaps biggest snub in regard to voting that I can think of would be for Mahomes.
Nobody was paying attention because Texas Tech huge offense mediocre win/loss record is typical, but Mahomes was a monster in 2016. 5052 passing, 65.7% completion, 41-10 td/int and single game record for passing (734) and total offense (819) vs OU. a game they lost. Even though he only had 285 rushing yards for the season, it was enough to have 76 more total yards than lamar jackson. He won sammy baugh trophy but didn't even place top 10 in heisman voting. I'll admit Im one of the many that did not recognize his greatness before 2018, but looking back, the performances were definitely there.
Nobody was paying attention because Texas Tech huge offense mediocre win/loss record is typical, but Mahomes was a monster in 2016. 5052 passing, 65.7% completion, 41-10 td/int and single game record for passing (734) and total offense (819) vs OU. a game they lost. Even though he only had 285 rushing yards for the season, it was enough to have 76 more total yards than lamar jackson. He won sammy baugh trophy but didn't even place top 10 in heisman voting. I'll admit Im one of the many that did not recognize his greatness before 2018, but looking back, the performances were definitely there.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:21 pm to PhillyFan1994
Tua, Deshaun, Peyton and Vince Young all come to mind.
Who is the greatest out of that 4? If you look at post-CFB, then right now it's Peyton Manning. Watson is still new though. Young's NFL career, even before the injury, wasn't good - his 2007 season where he threw 9 TDs to 17 INTs is rough.
Watson's 3 seasons are certainly better than Young's career. Young was so bad that if I were to rank them post-CFB, I'd probably go:
Peyton
Deshaun
Tua
Vince
Honestly, all 4 though had great CFB seasons worthy of winning the trophy if they occurred in other years.
Other QBs that come to mind:
Andrew Luck (2-time runner-up)
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
That Gino Toretta has a Heisman and all of the guys I've listed don't is kind of telling (and Toretta got his over Marshall Faulk and Garrison Hearst).
Who is the greatest out of that 4? If you look at post-CFB, then right now it's Peyton Manning. Watson is still new though. Young's NFL career, even before the injury, wasn't good - his 2007 season where he threw 9 TDs to 17 INTs is rough.
Watson's 3 seasons are certainly better than Young's career. Young was so bad that if I were to rank them post-CFB, I'd probably go:
Peyton
Deshaun
Tua
Vince
Honestly, all 4 though had great CFB seasons worthy of winning the trophy if they occurred in other years.
Other QBs that come to mind:
Andrew Luck (2-time runner-up)
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
That Gino Toretta has a Heisman and all of the guys I've listed don't is kind of telling (and Toretta got his over Marshall Faulk and Garrison Hearst).
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:32 pm to PhillyFan1994
I would vote for Peyton Manning as being the greatest snub in Heisman recent history anyway.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:33 pm to PhillyFan1994
Completely different eras, but okay.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:13 pm to PhillyFan1994
Peyton didn't commit to an established dynasty stacked with 5* talent, either.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:20 pm to Ted2010
If Bowl games happened before voting there is no way Young doesnt get that heisman in a landslide vote. I still remember that game and I dont give a shite about either texas or usc.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:34 pm to PhillyFan1994
Watson is light years a better QB than Tua
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:37 pm to 19
Tennessee was the best or second best SEC program of the 90's. They had tons of 5* talent even though recruiting didn't really exist back then.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 3:54 am
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:40 pm to PhillyFan1994
Jamarcus Russell
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:40 pm to Capstone2017
My homer answer is Peyton but might as well get things stirred up.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:41 pm to OrangeEmpire
Tommie Frazier.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:46 pm to BearBait09
quote:
Perhaps not the greatest, but perhaps biggest snub in regard to voting that I can think of would be for Mahomes.
Nobody was paying attention...it was enough to have 76 more total yards than lamar jackson. He won sammy baugh trophy but didn't even place top 10 in heisman voting. I'll admit Im one of the many that did not recognize his greatness before 2018, but looking back, the performances were definitely there.
Then some shade definitely needs to be thrown the Texas Tech SID's way.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:46 pm to PhillyFan1994
I want to say Peyton, but Watson carried a team to a Chip. As much as I loathe to give it to a Clemson that really might put him over.
But you could say Peyton really should have won the Heisman. Watson wasn't better than either Jackson or Henry in his two best seasons.
But you could say Peyton really should have won the Heisman. Watson wasn't better than either Jackson or Henry in his two best seasons.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:50 pm to BearBait09
quote:
Perhaps not the greatest, but perhaps biggest snub in regard to voting that I can think of would be for Mahomes.
Nobody was paying attention because Texas Tech huge offense mediocre win/loss record is typical, but Mahomes was a monster in 2016. 5052 passing, 65.7% completion, 41-10 td/int and single game record for passing (734) and total offense (819) vs OU. a game they lost. Even though he only had 285 rushing yards for the season, it was enough to have 76 more total yards than lamar jackson. He won sammy baugh trophy but didn't even place top 10 in heisman voting. I'll admit Im one of the many that did not recognize his greatness before 2018, but looking back, the performances were definitely there.
Tough to vote for someone at an also-ran Bit XII team unless you have an insane highlight reel like Jackson, who was probably the best player in CFB two straight years.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:19 pm to chillmonster
Peyton
Marino
Micheal Vick
Jim McMahon
Ryan Leaf
Drew Brees
Steve Young
Colt McCoy
John Eliway
Tommie Frazier
Marino
Micheal Vick
Jim McMahon
Ryan Leaf
Drew Brees
Steve Young
Colt McCoy
John Eliway
Tommie Frazier
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:41 pm to PhillyFan1994
Peyton Manning
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:46 pm to PhillyFan1994
Grossman was better than Manning in college. Dont let Mannings pro career change the outlook of his college career.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 4:51 pm to PhillyFan1994
Lefty Wilbanks
Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:01 pm to PhillyFan1994
Deshaunn and T-Law
BOOM!
BOOM!
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