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re: Forbes America's Best Colleges
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:54 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:54 am to BHMKyle
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Yes, you are correct that there are major regional differences in cost of living. But to list just the SEC, only the Southern region is listed
That's just for starters.
Is the salary scale adjusted for the gender make-up of the universities?
For instance UTe is 51% women, aTm is 53% male.
Males tend to choose majors that are higher paying than women (engineering, law, medical). Once in the workforce, males don't take time off for pregnancy and other issues that resort in higher earning potential.
Also, admission standards play in. Vanderbilt has a higher admissions standard than say South Carolina, so it wouldn't be all that surprising if their graduates went on to achieve at higher levels post graduation.
That's why lists and rankings like these are largely worthless.
A female that graduates with a major in 18th century Lesbian Literature Studies from Vandy won't earn the same as a male that graduates as a neurosurgeon from Mississippi State.
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
Agreed. Seems like schools with strong business and engineering strengths would rank much higher than strong liberal arts schools. That is why there is a strong difference. If Mississippi State is strong engineering why do they rank so very low??
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:58 am to rebelrouser
Harvard is 42 billion
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:00 pm to BHMKyle
Looks like Mississippi State forgot to pay off the spam site Forbes for their bulkshite rankings.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:00 pm to Arkapigdiesel
Every school teaches the same thing, meaning schools are about jobs. There are maybe 10 schools that will impress companies nation-wide (none of them in the SEC)- these schools can get you a job anywhere. Outside of that, (1) it depends entirely on specialized fields (engineering at TAMU, journalism at Mizzou, etc.) and (2) where you're looking for a job. Graduating from UC Irvine will impress exactly 0 people in Birmingham but graduating from UA will.
Also this list has Berkeley ahead of Stanford, which is a joke. Stanford is one of the schools that will impress everywhere
Also this list has Berkeley ahead of Stanford, which is a joke. Stanford is one of the schools that will impress everywhere
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:01 pm to BHMKyle
LSU is ranked far better than expected
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:05 pm to BHMKyle
If this is all about wages, that definitely explains why every UC school is in the top 50
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:08 pm to tiger perry
They rank low because of admission requirements. They also rank low because they do not have a medical or law school.
They are BS rankings. I met a guy getting his Ph.D in electrical engineering from State. Out of curiosity I asked him why and he said per Capita doctoral students in his specific program the amount of federal grant money available to him was extremely high. Dude was a yankee with an undgrad at Notre Dame. He could have been lying but still it brings home the point that the rankings are stupid. You can get a world class education from anywhere... Even Google university if you apply yourself.
They are BS rankings. I met a guy getting his Ph.D in electrical engineering from State. Out of curiosity I asked him why and he said per Capita doctoral students in his specific program the amount of federal grant money available to him was extremely high. Dude was a yankee with an undgrad at Notre Dame. He could have been lying but still it brings home the point that the rankings are stupid. You can get a world class education from anywhere... Even Google university if you apply yourself.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:16 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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A degree is only worth what you make of it. People get too caught up in these rankings.
Do you think a civil engineering degree from Alabama gets more notoriety than one from Mississippi State? I have a BS and MS in Civil from Alabama. But I readily admit that Miss State is the more well known engineering school. These rankings don’t change that.
it's not like the laws of physics, calculus, or differential equations changed from one institution or the next
at the end of the day it is what you know and what skills you have, not really where you went to get those skills. To some degree there may be a correlation there, but for the most part that relationship is dramatically overstated.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:23 pm to BHMKyle
These lists are absolute shite,listened to a pod cast by Maclom Gladwell this summer going over how full of shite they are.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:25 pm to BHMKyle
I really can't say I would have gone to LSU if I were prospecting schools in 2021. LSU's academic rankings have tanked and the football program is falling apart, including the gameday atmosphere. NOLA is a mess. What's the draw for out of state kids anymore?
These rankings are meaningless still but the signaling mechanism of university prestige is real however unfortunate that is.
These rankings are meaningless still but the signaling mechanism of university prestige is real however unfortunate that is.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:30 pm to Bama Bird
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Also this list has Berkeley ahead of Stanford, which is a joke. Stanford is one of the schools that will impress everywhere
Stanford does impress, but Berkeley does too. That's why they are both Top 5.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:32 pm to BHMKyle
Didn’t you get rejected by Mississippi State’s vet school or something?
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:36 pm to wutangfinancial
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I really can't say I would have gone to LSU if I were prospecting schools in 2021. LSU's academic rankings have tanked
Anyone that pays attention to quality of students that come out of these universities shouldn't look at these rankings at all. I work with Alabama, Auburn, UA-Huntsville, LSU, Georgia, Texas A&M and a bunch of other non-SEC grads. I haven't met one graduate from any of the SEC universities that i thought "Man this guy/girl is stupid. That is a direct reflection of the university". I can't really say the same for some of the other grads from some of the non-SEC schools
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:39 pm to BHMKyle
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433. Mississippi St.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:42 pm to BHMKyle
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69. Georgia
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:47 pm to cdur86
I used to work in law school admissions. Law schools literally only care about LSAT and GPA. They barely even read personal statements. The only time I ever saw an applicant's undergrad school come into question was someone who went to a for-profit school. Her LSAT was bad anyway so she was rejected, but I guarantee you if the LSAT was decent she would've been in. Half of recruiting is USNEWS rankings and LSAT/GPA medians are the top factor
Posted on 9/8/21 at 12:53 pm to BHMKyle
I read through the list of criteria that are new. There is one now that has to do with how much aid the school gives to underprivileged kids and how they turn out. I'm not saying that is a bad thing but is it really a criteria one uses when picking schools. If a state like California throws a lot of cash at poor students at the expense of putting their state more in debt? I guess it helps those kids but how about the people paying all the taxes? Might be better in the long run. Might not.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 1:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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When you have huge a huge OOS population and expensive OOS tuition (even with the high grant aid), this is going to happen. Just a gross system and one that the University has gone way above and beyond exploiting.
You shut your whore mouth, George! I've benefited from that system. I'm OOS and my daughter pays nearly the same as an in-state kid because she busted her arse and had a 4.6 GPA and an SAT score north of 1400. She loves Alabama and won't have shitloads of student loan debt when she gets out, thanks to that system.
I am amazed at the number of kids from places like the New England area, Chicago, and the West Coast that are coming to Bama because of those scholarships. A lot of those kids could go anywhere they wanted but they come to Bama. I'm even more amazed at the OOS kids from far away that come and have to pay the OOS amount because the DON"T have a scholarship, but they come anyway.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 9/8/21 at 1:09 pm to phil4bama
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You shut your whore mouth, George! I've benefited from that system. I'm OOS and my daughter pays nearly the same as an in-state kid because she busted her arse and had a 4.6 GPA and an SAT score north of 1400. She loves Alabama and won't have shitloads of student loan debt when she gets out, thanks to that system.
Phil, your daughter would have gotten that same money 20 years ago and had the same draw to Alabama due to her upbringing. I love having some out of state presence at the University. I think it's been good for everyone. I don't love it being ratcheted up to almost 60% of the undergraduate population for going on 5-10 years now.
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I'm even more amazed at the OOS kids from far away that come and have to pay the OOS amount because the DON"T have a scholarship, but they come anyway.
Or even those from close who are OOS who want to go there and would have in the past for a slight increase in tuition compared to in-state, but nothing astronomical. Now it costs the same to go to Alabama OOS as it used to cost to go to Vanderbilt or an Ivy school.
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