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Forbes America's Best Colleges

Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:13 am
Rankings the 65 Power 5 Schools:

The TOP 10
1. California
4. Stanford
8. UCLA
10. Northestern
12. Duke
14. Vanderbilt
17. USC
22. Michigan
25. Florida
27. Washington

The BOTTOM 10
204. Oklahoma St.
205. Baylor
209. Kentucky
212. Rutgers
221. Ole Miss
230. Kansas St.
233. Alabama
240. West Virginia
286. Louisville
433. Mississippi State (yikes!)

The SEC:
14. Vanderbilt
25. Florida
45. Texas
50. Texas A&M
69. Georgia
123. LSU
125. Oklahoma
142. Missouri
150. Auburn
161. Tennessee
190. Arkansas
195. S. Carolina
209. Kentucky
221. Ole Miss
233. Alabama
433. Mississippi St.
Posted by TN Dawg2
Knoxville
Member since Jun 2021
529 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:17 am to
This needs more context.

Best colleges for what?

Value. Education. Banging co-eds. Campus amenities. Athletics.

What is it measuring?

Posted by Crimsonite94
Member since Jul 2021
3564 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:19 am to
Thank God for Mississippi.
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
3811 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:20 am to
quote:

Thank God for Mississippi State.


221. Ole Miss
233. Alabama
433. Mississippi St.

FIFY
Posted by cdur86
Member since Jan 2014
965 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:21 am to
As always I would like to see the ranking criteria to see how much BS is in these rankings
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13250 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:22 am to
I'm sure Bama fans will lose sleep over their academia ranking. Meanwhile, they will continue to skull drag their opponent's on every Saturday for the foreseeable future.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72208 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:23 am to
There’s lots of BS in these rankings. The fluctuation from year to year or publication to publication is quite interesting.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10629 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:24 am to
Exactly, these rankings suck. Also, those are universities, not colleges. Rhodes in Memphis is a college. Memphis State is a university.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42568 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:25 am to
Looks like those western and northern schools have been the benefactor of white privilege and need to distribute their wealth.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72208 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:27 am to
A degree is only worth what you make of it. People get too caught up in these rankings.

Do you think a civil engineering degree from Alabama gets more notoriety than one from Mississippi State? I have a BS and MS in Civil from Alabama. But I readily admit that Miss State is the more well known engineering school. These rankings don’t change that.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:27 am to
It's Forbes, so they tend to be business-minded in their rankings. Other media place greater emphasis on a bunch of different shite, including a bunch of bullshite woke stuff that nobody gives a shite about.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10629 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:30 am to
They actually do. Harvard's endowment is 5.4 billion yet billionaires continue to donate money to them like they need it.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:30 am to
Here is the Average Early Career Salary for the SEC schools:

1. Vanderbilt- $122,400
2. Texas A&M- $119,000
3. Texas- $115,600
4. Auburn- $105,400
5. Florida- $105,200
6. LSU- $104,500
7. Georgia- $104,200
8. Missouri- $101,400
9. Oklahoma- $100,900
10. Arkansas- $100,000
11. Kentucky- $95,900
12. Alabama- $95,300
13. Mississippi St.- $95,100
14. Tennessee- $94,800
15. S. Carolina- $89,900
16. Ole Miss- $88,300
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:31 am to
A school that churns out solid engineers who have high paying jobs all over the South is ranked 150 spots below any other "big" school?

Alright, sounds good.
Posted by TN Dawg2
Knoxville
Member since Jun 2021
529 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Here is the Average Early Career Salary for the SEC schools:


Gee.

If only there were other factors like regional differences in per capita income and cost of living that played into these numbers, these statistics wouldn't be so conclusive.

/sarc
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 11:36 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:39 am to
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Alumni Salary (20%)
We used two data points from the College Scorecard and two from PayScale. From the College Scorecard, we included salary figures from 6 and 10 years after enrollment. From PayScale, we included early and mid-career earnings, which span the 1-4 years and 10 years after graduation respectively. (Beyond 10 years there are too many confounding variables to link income to higher education.)

Neither the College Scorecard nor PayScale data sets are perfect: College Scorecard only tracks recipients of federal funding using IRS data, while PayScale data is self-reported. We weighed all four salary variables equally at 5% to account for each measure’s shortcomings.

Debt (15%)
From the College Scorecard, we multiplied the average federal student loan debt per borrower by the percentage of students who had taken out federal student loans. We also used College Scorecard data for five-year loan repayment rates. Both of these variables were weighed at 7.5%, for a total of 15%.

Return On Investment (15%)
Third Way provided the Price-to-Earnings Premium for each institution, which measures how long it takes students to pay their college costs. It does this by dividing the total net price of obtaining a college degree by the post-enrollment earnings boost that students get compared to the typical salary of a high school graduate in their state according to Census data. This gets at the true financial ROI of a college education. We weighed the general premium at 10%, and a separate premium for low-income graduates at 5%, for a total of 15%.

Graduation Rate (15%)
While a four-year college education remains the gold standard, it doesn’t reflect the large number of students who need more time for personal and financial reasons. Rather than only accounting for first-time, full-time students, this year we incorporated the completion outcomes of part-time and transfer students as well. We used IPEDS’s data on six-year completion rates, with 10% slated for all students and 5% for students who received Pell Grants. We also indexed the Pell graduation rates with the proportion of Pell students at each institution, giving an advantage to schools that both enroll and graduate those from low- and moderate-income backgrounds.

Forbes American Leaders List (15%)
To assess the leadership and entrepreneurship of their graduates, we compiled how many listmakers each school produced on the Forbes 30 Under 30, Forbes 400, Richest Self-Made Women and Most Powerful Women lists. We also included individuals in public service, including members of the Presidential cabinet, Supreme Court, Congress and sitting governors. Finally, the list included winners of the MacArthur Fellowship, Nobel Prize, Breakthrough Prize, Lasker Prize, Fields Prize, Academy Awards, Oscars, Tony’s, NAACP Awards, Guggenheim Fellowship, major sport all-stars, Presidential Medals and Pulitzer Prizes.
Retention Rate (10%)
To account for student satisfaction, we used IPEDS’s three-year average full-time student retention rate, which measures the percentage of students who choose to stay after their freshman year.

Academic Success (10%)
We used two measures, equally weighted at 5%. We compiled the number of graduates of each college who have gone on to win Fulbright, Truman, Goldwater, Rhodes, Gates and Cambridge scholarships over the last four years. The second measure used data from the federal government’s National Center for Science and Engineering Statistics (NCSES) to compile the total number of undergraduates who went on to earn Ph.D.s over the last three years.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:40 am to
quote:

If only there were other factors like regional differences in per capita income and cost of living that played into these numbers, these statistics wouldn't be so conclusive.


Yes, you are correct that there are major regional differences in cost of living. But to list just the SEC, only the Southern region is listed.

Outside of a few expensive cities like Austin and Miami, there isn't that big of a difference in the cost of living within the SEC footprint. Sure, Mississippi is probably going to have the lowest cost of living.... but once you get a few miles outside the Atlanta perimeter, there's probably not much of a difference in cost of living between Georgia and Mississippi.

Every major southern metro has expensive areas as well as affordable suburbs. The only real difference is Austin and Miami which have a much higher cost of living even further out, away from the ritziest neighborhoods.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 11:42 am
Posted by Gunny Hartman
Member since Jan 2021
418 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:41 am to
LSU is way too high. Should be below OU.

Auburn seems too low, as does TN.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:43 am to
quote:

Debt (15%)


Alabama 2nd to last amongst large public school in this category, only in front of the University of Utah (average debt of $10,557).

quote:

Return On Investment (15%)


I'd assume based on above that it's pretty low here too.


When you have huge a huge OOS population and expensive OOS tuition (even with the high grant aid), this is going to happen. Just a gross system and one that the University has gone way above and beyond exploiting.
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 11:44 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 9/8/21 at 11:45 am to
quote:

I'd assume based on above that it's pretty low here too.


Yeah that part of the rating seems pretty circular considering the two above it.


quote:

When you have huge a huge OOS population and expensive OOS tuition (even with the high grant aid), this is going to happen. Just a gross system.


And when schools have a high scholarship ratio it plays into the two parts of the methodology quite nicely for them
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