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Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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When you have huge a huge OOS population and expensive OOS tuition (even with the high grant aid), this is going to happen
Ohio State has this and they rank pretty well.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:48 pm to BHMKyle
The University of Alabama will be much better off in the long run without 65 percent of its students coming from out of state. None work in Alabama after graduation and probably give very little back to the schools endowment either.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 4:52 pm to rebelrouser
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5.4 billion
Harvard's endowment is 42 billion.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:31 pm to BHMKyle
The bottom half SEC schools are always gonna be killed by % of applicants admitted and 4 year graduation rates. Has nothing to do with the actual quality of education received.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:35 pm to BHMKyle
“Forbes”
Political hack rag now days.
Political hack rag now days.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:50 pm to cdur86
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Anyone that pays attention to quality of students that come out of these universities shouldn't look at these rankings at all. I work with Alabama, Auburn, UA-Huntsville, LSU, Georgia, Texas A&M and a bunch of other non-SEC grads. I haven't met one graduate from any of the SEC universities that i thought "Man this guy/girl is stupid. That is a direct reflection of the university". I can't really say the same for some of the other grads from some of the non-SEC schools
I don’t think these top schools necessarily provide a much better education but there is a tendency that highly driven and motivated people will attend these elite schools. I have worked with MIT, Stanford, Cal, UCLA, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, etc grads and you really can see a difference, esp. how they approach and solve problems. However, there was this guy who attended Yale and he wasn’t really that bright or motivated at all.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 5:53 pm to BHMKyle
Academic rankings really are worthless beyond the top 75 or so, and the variability is so wide even then it's useless.
Posted on 9/8/21 at 6:08 pm to cdur86
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This is an embarrassment to me, and even more so with Birmingham so close to Tuscaloosa. Get our recruiters out of Illinois/California/New Jersy/New York/Pennsylvania and into the metros of Birmingham, Huntsville, and Mobile or else you will continue to see more of the kids with AU gear. Even our alumni do a horrendous job of keeping legacies of UA to actually go to UA. I can't tell you how many split households where there is one AU parent and one UA parent and their kids will choose AU over UA. I can understand them going to AU if they want to be a vet or pharmacist or something that UA doesn't have, but they are going there because all their friends go there and major in something like Business.
This is part of UA’s business strategy, actually a longterm investment strategy. Recruiting Long Island and California kids and even providing them with full scholarships in order to attract more $$ in the future. Basically, Auburn is now the “University of Alabama” while UA should be called the New University of New England or sth. Nevertheless, lots of GA and TX kids attending Auburn these days…
UA is ‘extreme case’ of state schools recruiting out-of-state residents, report finds
https://www.al.com/news/2019/03/ua-is-extreme-case-of-state-schools-recruiting-out-of-state-residents-report-finds.html
“UA has made ten times as many out-of-state recruiting visits as in-state visits, the report found. Of the 4,349 off-campus recruiting visits made by UA in 2017, only 392 visits – or 9 percent of all visits – took place in Alabama.”
How the University of Alabama Became a National Player
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html
“The University of Alabama has 45 recruiters — 36 outside of Alabama, including Dee McGraw-Hickey, a Tuscaloosa native living on Long Island.”
This post was edited on 9/8/21 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:21 am to AUreo
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Alabama’s strategy and in some ways it makes sense but they need to tweak the plan. Recruiting California and New England and Chicago is rather silly IMO. You will never hold onto those kids once they earn their degree. I would change a couple of things about their plan.
1) you are the University of ALABAMA! Take care of your in-state kids first. That is your primary mission. Don’t fail it. UF, UGA, and probably several other state flagship schools, including Alabama are doing just that. They can’t even attempt to accommodate the number of applicants they are receiving even from in-staters so they don’t even try but they are still heavily recruiting out of staters. That shouldn’t happen. UNC probably has the best solution I have seen: their state legislature mandated that something like 80% of their freshman classes come from in state. Out-of-staters fight for a slot in that other 20% and it’s damn near impossible to get one. It allows UNC to really cherry pick that OOS kid.
2) Draw a circle around Tuscaloosa with a 500 mile radius. That is your out of state territory. Concentrate your efforts there. Those kids have a higher probability of staying and contributing to Alabama the state because they are regional kids and won’t be so far from home or from a totally different area of the country.
3) Create more cooperatives with neighboring states so that a kid from Pensacola or Starkville or Columbus, Ga. pays in state rates and vice-versa. It helps everyone out.
1) you are the University of ALABAMA! Take care of your in-state kids first. That is your primary mission. Don’t fail it. UF, UGA, and probably several other state flagship schools, including Alabama are doing just that. They can’t even attempt to accommodate the number of applicants they are receiving even from in-staters so they don’t even try but they are still heavily recruiting out of staters. That shouldn’t happen. UNC probably has the best solution I have seen: their state legislature mandated that something like 80% of their freshman classes come from in state. Out-of-staters fight for a slot in that other 20% and it’s damn near impossible to get one. It allows UNC to really cherry pick that OOS kid.
2) Draw a circle around Tuscaloosa with a 500 mile radius. That is your out of state territory. Concentrate your efforts there. Those kids have a higher probability of staying and contributing to Alabama the state because they are regional kids and won’t be so far from home or from a totally different area of the country.
3) Create more cooperatives with neighboring states so that a kid from Pensacola or Starkville or Columbus, Ga. pays in state rates and vice-versa. It helps everyone out.
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 8:22 am
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:29 am to VABuckeye
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Ohio State has this and they rank pretty well.
% of Total Enrollment - Out of State
Alabama - 60.3%
Ohio State - 30.4%
They aren't really close
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:40 am to TN Dawg2
academics, graduate programs, research results
Posted on 9/9/21 at 8:59 am to phil4bama
Looks like Bama has already transitioned to this type of approach.... at least the in-state focus.
IN-STATE NEW FRESHMEN ENROLLMENT BY YEAR:
2011: 2,848
2012: 2,857
2013: 2,585
2014: 2,474
2015: 2,508
2016: 2,412
2017: 2,406
2018: 2,271
2019: 2,533
2020: 2,701
In 2011, Alabama took 572 more in-state kids than Auburn did.... but by 2014, Auburn was taking in more kids from in-state. Auburn enrolled more students from inside the state for six consecutive years until 2020, when Alabama finally pulled back ahead by just 67 kids.
I wish I could see how many kids from Georgia were going to Alabama. For decades, Auburn got far more kids from the state of Georgia, but that has changed in the last decade. Auburn probably gets slightly more still, but Alabama has really made a push and its probably fairly close now.
Here's how many kids from Georgia Auburn pulls in each year (new freshmen):
2011: 596
2012: 523
2013: 500
2014: 635
2015: 669
2016: 626
2017: 739
2018: 705
2019: 784
2020: 760
Alabama doesn't release individual state numbers from outside of Alabama, but I bet they are up to 600+ or so kids a year from Georgia.
IN-STATE NEW FRESHMEN ENROLLMENT BY YEAR:
2011: 2,848
2012: 2,857
2013: 2,585
2014: 2,474
2015: 2,508
2016: 2,412
2017: 2,406
2018: 2,271
2019: 2,533
2020: 2,701
In 2011, Alabama took 572 more in-state kids than Auburn did.... but by 2014, Auburn was taking in more kids from in-state. Auburn enrolled more students from inside the state for six consecutive years until 2020, when Alabama finally pulled back ahead by just 67 kids.
I wish I could see how many kids from Georgia were going to Alabama. For decades, Auburn got far more kids from the state of Georgia, but that has changed in the last decade. Auburn probably gets slightly more still, but Alabama has really made a push and its probably fairly close now.
Here's how many kids from Georgia Auburn pulls in each year (new freshmen):
2011: 596
2012: 523
2013: 500
2014: 635
2015: 669
2016: 626
2017: 739
2018: 705
2019: 784
2020: 760
Alabama doesn't release individual state numbers from outside of Alabama, but I bet they are up to 600+ or so kids a year from Georgia.
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