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Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:33 pm to Roll on Tigers
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1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Kansas City Chiefs
Debatable. He has been up and down. I do think he has been productive
I have been waiting for someone to figure out that Dorsey is the starting NG for the 49's... had a good year. We will see if he keeps that spot this year or if 49's extend his contract.
Claiborne has not lived up to expectations. That does not mean he is bad and he could come on this year and have a breakout season but he has not put up the numbers we all expected.
Barron, maybe I listen to The Rant too much, but I have not heard too much praise for him either. I don't see many of his games so I am just parroting others on this one.
Mingo, started out hurt last season but was progressing well at the end. We will see what this season brings for him.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:32 pm to BamaDoc14
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1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Kansas City Chiefs
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:35 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:51 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Barron, maybe I listen to The Rant too much, but I have not heard too much praise for him either. I don't see many of his games so I am just parroting others on this one.
The deal with Barron is quite simple.
People who can't formulate their own opinions on a player tend to believe that he is bad.
People who can watch a player play multiple games throughout a season, usually most (if not all), and can form their own opinion of him because they know how to tell good players from bad players tend to think he's one of the better Safeties at his position, and is probably a year or two away from making the Pro Bowl consistently.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 10:54 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
So many of the arguments being used by LSU fans ITT can and have been used by UA fans.
I wish the rant could see how hypocritical it is all time.
I wish the rant could see how hypocritical it is all time.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 11:07 pm to BamaDoc14
James carpenter had been reasonably successful. He was starting at guard on the team that won the superbowl
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:26 am to narddogg81
Good thread and its a good debate. But the bullshite circular logic used by the most recent Barron defender is weak sauce.
I'm paraphrasing here, but you're basically saying, "Smart people who know football know that Mark Barron is good. Low information, dumb people who don't know football think that Mark Barron is bad."
The inference being that since only smart football fans think Barron is good, and only dumb football fans think he isn't, then it must be obvious that Barron is a good football player.
This is not provable in any way, and is the worst kind of reasoning to use in a discussion. In short, you suck at defending your viewpoints. Try harder and don't use logical fallacies to prop your takes up.
I'm paraphrasing here, but you're basically saying, "Smart people who know football know that Mark Barron is good. Low information, dumb people who don't know football think that Mark Barron is bad."
The inference being that since only smart football fans think Barron is good, and only dumb football fans think he isn't, then it must be obvious that Barron is a good football player.
This is not provable in any way, and is the worst kind of reasoning to use in a discussion. In short, you suck at defending your viewpoints. Try harder and don't use logical fallacies to prop your takes up.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:12 am to poncho villa
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But unfortunately for him, LSU has better 1st rounders and it kind of back fired on him.
It's pretty even
Barron has been Tampa's best Safety and has been top 2 in tackles for the Bucs both years in a TERRIBLE defensive scheme.
Marcell Dareus is better than Jackson or Dorsey in the NFL (He is a Pro Bowler)
Hightower led the Pats in tackles last year
Eddie Lacy was ROY
Milliner and Kirkpatrick both showed some good play last year, like has been mentioned on here, just like Mo Claiborne, both have somewhat struggled, but I can tell you as a Tampa Bay fan I'm much happier with Barron than I would have been with Mo Claiborne and I think he will eventually be pretty good as well. Kareem Jackson has more starts than all 3 of the above mentioned guys and been a day 1 starter. Patrick Peterson has as well.
James Carpenter has been pretty good inside for Seattle. DJ Fluker was awesome for SD though.
Mingo was average but I didn't expect him to be great as a rookie, he will get better.
Julio is a monster as is Dwayne Bowe
I'm not sure how Trent will work out this year for Indy, I'm hoping he pulls his head out his arse. Ingram actually had an above average year this year and showed promise, should show progression this year.
UFA Robert Lester started at FS most games this year for Carolina and was pretty good
It's pretty even
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:23 am to GetmorewithLes
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Barron, maybe I listen to The Rant too much, but I have not heard too much praise for him either. I don't see many of his games so I am just parroting others on this one.
This (in bold)
Tampa has had 3 or 4 good players on D during his career and he is among those players. He has started and been an impact guy at SS his whole career. He helped Ronde Barber make the transition to FS his rookie year (and learned a lot from him as well) and when dumbass "headhunter" Goldson was suspended or hurt most of last year, Keith Tandy came in as Goldson's back-up and Barron helped develop him and toward the end a couple of Barron's deflections turned into INTs by Tandy and I think he finished with 6. Regardless NFL teams attack the opposite side of the field and don't throw a lot on his side (even last year when Revis was on Tandy's side). Barron is a physical tackler also especially in the box and still makes his presence felt there.
As a Bucs fan I love him and am excited about what kind of things Lovie and Leslie Frazier will do with him this year.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:37 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Tampa Bay hardly was on TV except locally the last couple years so that doesn't help either. It is the reason as well that arguably the best OLB in the NFL this past season (LaVonte David) didn't make the PB this past year. He had a Derrick Brooks MVP type year numbers wise.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:16 am to TreyAnastasio
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Productive and up and down aren't what you look for in the 5th pick
True, Dorsey has been a disappointment. LSU fans can say what they want about him but as the 5th overall pick, he has been mediocre at best!
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:47 am to BuccWildBammer
we get it bro, you are a bucs fan
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:18 am to poncho villa
Damn right 
I just hate the bad rap Barron gets because he's been one off the better 1st round picks defensively from that year and has done a hell of a lot better than Trent
I just hate the bad rap Barron gets because he's been one off the better 1st round picks defensively from that year and has done a hell of a lot better than Trent
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:33 am to GFunk
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This is not provable in any way, and is the worst kind of reasoning to use in a discussion. In short, you suck at defending your viewpoints. Try harder and don't use logical fallacies to prop your takes up.
Oh boy.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:50 am to BamaDoc14
I'm no expert,but I still say when its said and done Trent Richardson will be a special player.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:03 am to I-59 Tiger
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I'm no expert,but I still say when its said and done Trent Richardson will be a special player.
It's going to be an uphill climb, for sure. I saw a recent article comparing his career path to that of Marshawn Lynch. He had a promising first season with the Browns and then it is just so damn hard to make an impact when getting traded mid-season.
I still think he will elevate himself to one of the top 6 or 7 backs in the league, but I'm not sure he'll ever meet the expectations of a #3 pick.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:18 am to I-59 Tiger
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I'm no expert,but I still say when its said and done Trent Richardson will be a special player.
If it doesn't work out for him as an every down guy, I do think he has potential as an elite third down back. He has good punch in pass pro and is a weapon out of the backfield as a receiver.
For Trent, here is what's currently wrong:
- Has gained some bad weight, needs to get down to 220-225 and run more than he lifts
- Dances in the backfield instead of hitting the hold hard
- Was used like a short yardage back no matter the situation. Needs to be used out of the gun and in passing sets more often.
- Came from a zone blocking scheme at Bama, is currently in a power scheme. He can adjust.
If you compare what was said last offseason to this offseason, you can tell he's identified the problems and is working is arse off to correct them to the best he can. Even if he remains a bust, no one can say he isn't trying his hardest.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:23 am to BamaDoc14
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I still think he will elevate himself to one of the top 6 or 7 backs in the league
No he wont. For every marshawn lynch there are a handful of Laurence maroneys. I thought he, and Ingram for that matter, would be successful RBs, but after rooting for both and watching closely for 2+ seasons, they just don't have it. Trent didnt have any success his rookie year, he was just showered in touches, and that team gave up on him.
I also think some are being overly critical of guys like Dorsey, who now is starting for his second team. The guy will have a 10+ year NFL career, I just don't see how you can call that a bust.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:34 am to OceanMan
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No he wont. For every marshawn lynch there are a handful of Laurence maroneys. I thought he, and Ingram for that matter, would be successful RBs, but after rooting for both and watching closely for 2+ seasons, they just don't have it. Trent didnt have any success his rookie year, he was just showered in touches, and that team gave up on him. I also think some are being overly critical of guys like Dorsey, who now is starting for his second team. The guy will have a 10+ year NFL career, I just don't see how you can call that a bust.
So the verdict is already up on the guy that breaks Jim Brown's rookie rushing record and then thrown on another team midseason as a bust? I'm sorry, but Matt Hasselbeck talked about just how hard it is to get traded mid season, so I'm willing to give Trent a pass for last season.
But you're right, let's give credit to the guy with a mediocre ten year career after being drafted 5th overall.
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