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re: Examining the 1st Round picks of Alabama, LSU
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:38 am to BamaDoc14
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:38 am to BamaDoc14
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So the verdict is already up on the guy that breaks Jim Brown's rookie rushing record
This isn't really an impressive accomplishment. NFL didn't play 16 games back then, Trent needed 3 extra games (and 60 extra carries) to break that record by 8 yards.
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:51 am to craigbiggio
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This isn't really an impressive accomplishment. NFL didn't play 16 games back then, Trent needed 3 extra games (and 60 extra carries) to break that record by 8 yards.
So unimpressive that all the other rookies between Jim Brown and Trent were able to accomplish the same feat.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:52 am to BamaDoc14
He is a running back dude, it is what it is, but they dont get as many chances, its not as tough to transition, look at your boy Lacy. It isnt just that he was traded mid season, the ither backs on that team either outperformed or were on par with him on that team. The browns didnt trade Jim Brown in his second season either bro.like I said, I root for the kid, and dont hate Ingram like most saints fans, I can just tell neither will be a star. Running backs are rarely stars if they dont start hot, there is just too much competition for staying power.
And yes, Dorsey had his best season to date this year with his second team, so you cant close the door on him. You act like a top 5-10 player must either be a superstar or bust. Its just not true. If you were to ask any GM, picking in their originally assigned draft spot, if they could disregard need for a guy capable of starting in the league 10 years, and that they would call that draft pick a success. This isnt an illustration tailored for Dorsey, but in general regardless of what school someone went to.
Having said that, we have the benefit of a larger sample size for Dorseys career than the rbs above, could they turn it around, sure, I personally just dont see it.
And yes, Dorsey had his best season to date this year with his second team, so you cant close the door on him. You act like a top 5-10 player must either be a superstar or bust. Its just not true. If you were to ask any GM, picking in their originally assigned draft spot, if they could disregard need for a guy capable of starting in the league 10 years, and that they would call that draft pick a success. This isnt an illustration tailored for Dorsey, but in general regardless of what school someone went to.
Having said that, we have the benefit of a larger sample size for Dorseys career than the rbs above, could they turn it around, sure, I personally just dont see it.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 10:55 am to BamaDoc14
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My degree says otherwise. And I'll trust the Chiefs GM who didn't want him anymore.
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BamaDoc14
You mean Scott Pioli who drafted him and then came to the Falcons and signed him?
Which GM didn't want him anymore exactly???
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:00 am to BamaDoc14
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So unimpressive that all the other rookies between Jim Brown and Trent were able to accomplish the same feat.
Can you link this? I hope you are not just talking about the browns. Dickerson had lime 1800 in between these 2, which is more than trent in 2 seasons.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:00 am to BamaDoc14
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So unimpressive that all the other rookies between Jim Brown and Trent were able to accomplish the same feat.
Speaks more to how badly the Browns draft.
950 yards on 3.6 ypc isn't impressive.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:05 am to OceanMan
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He is a running back dude, it is what it is, but they dont get as many chances, its not as tough to transition, look at your boy Lacy.
You realize that Eddie on rushed for about 150 more yards and 100 more yards from scrimmage while playing for a far superior team? They both also had 11 TD's.
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The browns didnt trade Jim Brown in his second season either bro.like I said,
The Browns also weren't the abysmal mess then that they are now. Every front office person that drafted Trent is gone. They want their own players.
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Running backs are rarely stars if they dont start hot, there is just too much competition for staying power.
Wrong again. LINK
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Since 1970, only 13 first round rookies have recorded 70% of all running back carries by their team. Two of those players were Richardson and Tampa Bay’s Doug Martin last year. Of that group, Richardson did post the lowest YPC average, but he was within 0.1 YPC of LaDainian Tomlinson. The next two lowest averages belong to Robert Edwards and Emmitt Smith; the former suffered a career-debilitating injury in a beach football game after his rookie season, while the latter ran for the most yards in NFL history.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:06 am to craigbiggio
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950 yards on 3.6 ypc isn't impressive.
Why Trent Richarsdon's 3.6 YPC Doesn't Matter
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Since 1970, only 13 first round rookies have recorded 70% of all running back carries by their team. Two of those players were Richardson and Tampa Bay’s Doug Martin last year. Of that group, Richardson did post the lowest YPC average, but he was within 0.1 YPC of LaDainian Tomlinson. The next two lowest averages belong to Robert Edwards and Emmitt Smith; the former suffered a career-debilitating injury in a beach football game after his rookie season, while the latter ran for the most yards in NFL history.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:06 am to OceanMan
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I hope you are not just talking about the browns
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:07 am to BamaDoc14
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You realize that Eddie on rushed for about 150 more yards and 100 more yards from scrimmage while playing for a far superior team? They both also had 11 TD's.
Eddie also did it with 4.1 yards per carry behind an average O-Line and without his starting QB for half the season. In games that Rodgers started, Lacy averaged 4.3 YPC.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:07 am to c on z
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Well based on that logic, Dorsey was in a bad system back in KC. He was in a 3-4 defense when he spent his collegiate career in a 4-3.
He had a pretty decent season with the Niners this year.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:20 am to BamaDoc14
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Wrong again
No, you are wrong dipshit. LINK
Look at that list and tell me which of those guys didnt break out in their first 2 seasons. I don't need yo read some bullshite from a writer I've never heard of. I can tell by watching if a player has what it takes to be a star, and dont believe trent does. Could I be wrong, absolutely, but you won't find me starting threads to tirelessly defend players of my alma mater with no basis other than historical analysis of other fricking players.
Now get back to work doc, someone is currently sitting in the second waiting room, wondering when the frick their doctor is going to make them say ahh, write them a prescription, and send them on their way.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:21 am to BamaDoc14
So you are just talking about the browns?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:22 am to BamaDoc14
Well,here's one LSU fan pulling for Richardson. I've always tipped my hat to players on opposing squads whom had big games against LSU. I don't think anyone can question the young man's desire and effort. His running ability always reminded me of someone trying to tackle a golf cart. 
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:26 am to OceanMan
I'm gonna be disappointed if Trent doesn't become a great player. What a force he was in college. I still have nightmares of the RB screen he use to run in our games. "Watch the screen! WATCH THE SCR....SON OF A BITCH!" 
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:30 am to I-59 Tiger
I agree with you I-59
With his offseason (all accounts down to the right weight) and an opportunity to learn the Offense he will be playing in I expect him to be a surprise this year
The surroundings of his career have absolutely SUCKED. Cleveland trades up and gets him and a terrible QB later on in the 1st, making it all the more obvious he was gonna be 90% of the O and no one worked harder than he did at RB his rookie year.
Then the whole regime changes so he gets traded to a totally different team with a different offensive scheme in place. I didn't expect him to have a huge impact after that this year but I also didn't expect him to fall off the face of the Earth.
I have no doubt that experience of what he has gone through will only make his skill set particularly vision better, but the one thing he needs back is his passion and drive. I just hope Indy doesn't give up on him...not yet
With his offseason (all accounts down to the right weight) and an opportunity to learn the Offense he will be playing in I expect him to be a surprise this year
The surroundings of his career have absolutely SUCKED. Cleveland trades up and gets him and a terrible QB later on in the 1st, making it all the more obvious he was gonna be 90% of the O and no one worked harder than he did at RB his rookie year.
Then the whole regime changes so he gets traded to a totally different team with a different offensive scheme in place. I didn't expect him to have a huge impact after that this year but I also didn't expect him to fall off the face of the Earth.
I have no doubt that experience of what he has gone through will only make his skill set particularly vision better, but the one thing he needs back is his passion and drive. I just hope Indy doesn't give up on him...not yet
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:33 am to abellsujr
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I still have nightmares of the RB screen he use to run in our games.
I remember in the Tuscaloosa game in '11 he caught a screen and turned up field and you could almost hear the earth rumble in the crowd.
The only way I would have gotten in front of him would have been if I'd been in a pick up truck.Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:40 am to abellsujr
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I'm gonna be disappointed if Trent doesn't become a great player. What a force he was in college. I still have nightmares of the RB screen he use to run in our games. "Watch the screen! WATCH THE SCR....SON OF A BITCH!"
I'm still convinced that had we threw him screens a lot more often from our own side of the field, he would have put up like, 800 reception yards.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:54 am to OceanMan
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I can tell by watching if a player has what it takes to be a star, and dont believe trent does
Sixth sense?
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:56 am to OceanMan
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I don't need yo read some bullshite from a writer I've never heard of. I can tell by watching if a player has what it takes to be a star, and dont believe trent does.
I'm glad your eye test is a better judge of NFL talent than those who study analytics for a living.
Why are you still posting on a message board if "you can tell by watching if a player has what it takes to be a star"? Shouldn't you be a pro scout somewhere?
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