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re: Examining the 1st Round picks of Alabama, LSU
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:57 pm to c on z
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:57 pm to c on z
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Well based on that logic, Dorsey was in a bad system back in KC. He was in a 3-4 defense when he spent his collegiate career in a 4-3.
I think Dorsey is one of the better run defending DL in the league. Hasn't produced much in the way of pass rush, but still, I'd probably have him bolded in the OP because he's great in his role.
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:58 pm to c on z
same with jackson. Jackson did much better than dorsey. I think dorsey is still with a 3-4 team unfortunately.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 3:58 pm to BamaDoc14
Tyson Jackson is one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league 
The Falcons gave him a 25 million dollar contract this offseason
The Falcons gave him a 25 million dollar contract this offseason
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:01 pm to BamaDoc14
What it should look like. Underline = bad system but player is still good.
LSU: 8/12
1 6 Barkevious Mingo Defensive End Cleveland Browns
1 18 Eric Reid Safety San Francisco 49ers
1 6 Morris Claiborne Cornerback Dallas Cowboys
1 14 Michael Brockers DT St. Louis Rams
1 5 Patrick Peterson Cornerback Arizona Cardinals
1 3 Tyson Jackson Defensive End Kansas City Chiefs
1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Kansas City Chiefs
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Quarterback Oakland Raiders
1 6 LaRon Landry Free Safety Washington Redskins
1 23 Dwayne Bowe Wide Receiver Kansas City Chiefs
1 30 Craig Davis Wide Receiver San Diego Chargers
1 30 Joseph Addai Running Back Indianapolis Colts
Alabama: 6/14
1 9 Dee Milliner Cornerback New York Jets
1 10 Chance Warmack Guard Tennessee Titans
1 11 D. J. Fluker Offensive tackle San Diego Chargers
1 3 Trent Richardson Running back Cleveland Browns
1 7 Mark Barron Safety Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Cornerback Cincinnati Bengals
1 25 Dont'a Hightower Linebacker New England Patriots
1 3 Marcell Dareus Defensive tackle Buffalo Bills
1 6 Julio Jones Wide receiver Atlanta Falcons
1 25 James Carpenter Offensive tackle Seattle Seahawks
1 28 Mark Ingram Running back New Orleans Saints
1 8 Rolando McClain Linebacker Oakland Raiders
1 20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Houston Texans
1 6 Andre Smith Offensive tackle Cincinnati Bengals
LSU: 8/12
1 6 Barkevious Mingo Defensive End Cleveland Browns
1 18 Eric Reid Safety San Francisco 49ers
1 6 Morris Claiborne Cornerback Dallas Cowboys
1 14 Michael Brockers DT St. Louis Rams
1 5 Patrick Peterson Cornerback Arizona Cardinals
1 3 Tyson Jackson Defensive End Kansas City Chiefs
1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT Kansas City Chiefs
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Quarterback Oakland Raiders
1 6 LaRon Landry Free Safety Washington Redskins
1 23 Dwayne Bowe Wide Receiver Kansas City Chiefs
1 30 Craig Davis Wide Receiver San Diego Chargers
1 30 Joseph Addai Running Back Indianapolis Colts
Alabama: 6/14
1 9 Dee Milliner Cornerback New York Jets
1 10 Chance Warmack Guard Tennessee Titans
1 11 D. J. Fluker Offensive tackle San Diego Chargers
1 3 Trent Richardson Running back Cleveland Browns
1 7 Mark Barron Safety Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Cornerback Cincinnati Bengals
1 25 Dont'a Hightower Linebacker New England Patriots
1 3 Marcell Dareus Defensive tackle Buffalo Bills
1 6 Julio Jones Wide receiver Atlanta Falcons
1 25 James Carpenter Offensive tackle Seattle Seahawks
1 28 Mark Ingram Running back New Orleans Saints
1 8 Rolando McClain Linebacker Oakland Raiders
1 20 Kareem Jackson Cornerback Houston Texans
1 6 Andre Smith Offensive tackle Cincinnati Bengals
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:01 pm to ipodking
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Tyson Jackson is one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league
The Falcons gave him a 25 million dollar contract
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Jackson played 509 snaps last season, less than half of the team’s snaps, but he still played a role in the defense. His +14.6 overall grade ranked 14th among all 3-4 DEs in 2013. However, that grade doesn’t tell the whole story. His run defense grade (+15.5) masked other flaws in his game, namely rushing the passer (-3.3).
Jackson’s fifth season was his best no matter how you slice it, though. During his rookie season, Jackson had a PFF grade of -41, by far the worst among all 3-4 DEs. He was negative again (-1.9) in 2010 before making a jump in 2011 (+8.6). However, he took a step back in 2012 (-9.6) before finding his footing again in 2013.
STATS
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:03 pm to poncho villa
Re: Tyson Jackson.
If you are drafted 3rd overall and you are only an average player at your position five years in, you are not considered a success.
If you are drafted 3rd overall and you are only an average player at your position five years in, you are not considered a success.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:03 pm to BamaDoc14
I guess bragging about offensive lineman in the nfl is cool? bama OlineU...
Doesn't have that great of a ring to it.
Doesn't have that great of a ring to it.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:04 pm to BamaDoc14
He was never even suppose to go 3rd overall 
and he is doing just fine.
and he is doing just fine. Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:05 pm to poncho villa
But he did go #3 overall?? That's a pretty shitty argument.
He is doing fine. But that's not what you want when you pick him third overall.
He is doing fine. But that's not what you want when you pick him third overall.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:05 pm to BamaDoc14
LSU players haven been far more productive.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:06 pm to BamaDoc14
I trust the Falcons GM knows more about football than a sidewalk gump
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:22 pm to poncho villa
My degree says otherwise. And I'll trust the Chiefs GM who didn't want him anymore.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:25 pm to BamaDoc14
who also drafted him #3 overall?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:25 pm to BamaDoc14
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1 8 Rolando McClain Linebacker Oakland Raiders
quote:Ouch on these two. They do have one thing in common.
1 1 JaMarcus Russell Quarterback Oakland Raiders
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:40 pm to BamaDoc14
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If you are drafted 3rd overall and you are only an average player at your position five years in, you are not considered a success.
I disagree because he's good in his role. It isn't his fault he was drafted that high.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:42 pm to c on z
Claiborne sucks.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:45 pm to BamaDoc14
BamaDoc, good list and I think you are pretty close to having it correct. As a few have said with Mo Claiborne and Milliner, they are in the wrong systems. Honestly, they should trade them and I think both would do much better. Mingo was drafted to get pressure on the QB until he can physically be ready to go 3 downs (same transition he went through in college and think he is on the right track. Tyson Jackson should be bold. And I feel bad that Dorsey never got to play in a 4-3.
There are a few Bama guys that I haven't followed so I can't argue either way and will trust your info. And I concur with all Bama's in bold, even Barron. He actually reminds me of Laron Landry early in his career. Jury still out on a few.
There are a few Bama guys that I haven't followed so I can't argue either way and will trust your info. And I concur with all Bama's in bold, even Barron. He actually reminds me of Laron Landry early in his career. Jury still out on a few.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:49 pm to JGTiger
Was Claiborne in the wrong system year 1?
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:49 pm to JGTiger
I wouldn't say Dee is in the wrong system. He missed some of camp with an injur, and Corner is just a tough transition. To end the season on a two game span he defended 10 passes, including 3 INTs. He also made 13 tackles combined in those games, oh and he was going up against guys like Josh Gordon and Brian Hartline. I think that was more indicative of the Milliner we're going to see from now on. Obviously not averaging 5 passes defended a game, but still.
Posted on 5/5/14 at 4:49 pm to gatordmb89
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Was Claiborne in the wrong system year 1?
He was a rookie CB.
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