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re: Ed Orgeron comments on the perceptions of racism at Ole Miss
Posted on 5/15/26 at 7:58 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 5/15/26 at 7:58 am to SidewalkTiger
I think everyone is missing the point.
In this case, reality is irrelevant. If the parents and grandparents and family of a recruit think there is a problem at a certain school, then getting that recruit to come to your school will be difficult. Telling that family that they are full of bull will probably not work.
Remember the movie Blue Chips. Nick Nolte's character visited 2 recruits and had to talk to parents. In each case, the parents lived in la-la-land. But to get those recruits, Nolte had to join them in said la-la-land.
I think that's what Lane and O are referring to. Having to deal with parental delusion is a problem, and pre-conceived notions about Ole Miss and racism are an issue coaches have to deal with in recruiting.
In this case, reality is irrelevant. If the parents and grandparents and family of a recruit think there is a problem at a certain school, then getting that recruit to come to your school will be difficult. Telling that family that they are full of bull will probably not work.
Remember the movie Blue Chips. Nick Nolte's character visited 2 recruits and had to talk to parents. In each case, the parents lived in la-la-land. But to get those recruits, Nolte had to join them in said la-la-land.
I think that's what Lane and O are referring to. Having to deal with parental delusion is a problem, and pre-conceived notions about Ole Miss and racism are an issue coaches have to deal with in recruiting.
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 7:59 am to kajon
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blatant and systemic racism is way down from the way it was before.
It is just now directed in the other direction.
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that's due to several other factors like local leadership and policies, destruction of the nuclear family, etc.
And who is doing all of that? Stuff like that (and culture) don’t just spring up out of thin air.
I look at the mugshots for my area almost every day. Do you?
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Posted on 5/15/26 at 8:01 am to SidewalkTiger
Don’t normally post during the off season but this thread got under my skin.
I’m old and remember the George Wallace days in Alabama. I even remember my Dad taking us to see a cross burnt at a Black church to remind us of the hate in the world.
Point 1. There is racism and always will be.
Point 2. Racism exists in 2026 in all parts of the USA.
Point 3. Mississippi and all Deep South academic institutions of higher learning have strived for decades to change and become inclusive of all races.
Point 4. Battling racism is still a work in progress and always will be.
Point 5. Lane Kiffin was speaking of black grandparents people my age who suffered the racism and abuse back then. Their scars are permanent and I understand why they might not want their grandson to play at Ole Miss, even though great strides have been made.
In summary, Lane Kiffin is a narcissistic immature man who should have kept his mouth shut. If I was a grandparent I would never allow my grandchild to play for a phony lair like Lane Kiffin
LSU will rue the day they got into bed with Kiffin
Have a great day and Roll Damn Tide.
I’m old and remember the George Wallace days in Alabama. I even remember my Dad taking us to see a cross burnt at a Black church to remind us of the hate in the world.
Point 1. There is racism and always will be.
Point 2. Racism exists in 2026 in all parts of the USA.
Point 3. Mississippi and all Deep South academic institutions of higher learning have strived for decades to change and become inclusive of all races.
Point 4. Battling racism is still a work in progress and always will be.
Point 5. Lane Kiffin was speaking of black grandparents people my age who suffered the racism and abuse back then. Their scars are permanent and I understand why they might not want their grandson to play at Ole Miss, even though great strides have been made.
In summary, Lane Kiffin is a narcissistic immature man who should have kept his mouth shut. If I was a grandparent I would never allow my grandchild to play for a phony lair like Lane Kiffin
LSU will rue the day they got into bed with Kiffin
Have a great day and Roll Damn Tide.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 8:28 am to bamaoldtimer
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In summary, Lane Kiffin is a narcissistic immature man who should have kept his mouth shut. If I was a grandparent I would never allow my grandchild to play for a phony lair like Lane Kiffin
In other words, your preconceived notions would determine where your grandson played football and went to school, not what he may or may not want to do.
Thank you for demonstrating Lane's point so perfectly.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 8:32 am to tide06
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Everyone involved with any of those issues is dead.
Ole Miss didn't stop waving confederate flags around at games until the late 90's.
pretty sure a shite ton of those guys are still alive.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 8:44 am to kajon
Lane was sure to not bring up what people associate Baton Rouge and LSU with.
I associate Baton Rouge with unsolved murders. They never even identified any suspects in the case of the student gunned down waiting for a train did they? Nor who stole and destroyed the memorial put up by her family and friends the very first night did they? But I guess there are so many possible suspects in Baton Rouge it is hard.
I associate LSU itself with hordes of drunken, angry cajuns who want to fight someone, anyone, because they are so mad all the time. I also associate it with the image of David Duke strutting around campus in a Nazi uniform, early in his political career, embraced then just like the people of Louisiana would embrace him later when they elected him to office.
Everyone associates different cities and schools with something. I don’t think most view Oxford as any more racist as other comparable southern towns.
I associate Baton Rouge with unsolved murders. They never even identified any suspects in the case of the student gunned down waiting for a train did they? Nor who stole and destroyed the memorial put up by her family and friends the very first night did they? But I guess there are so many possible suspects in Baton Rouge it is hard.
I associate LSU itself with hordes of drunken, angry cajuns who want to fight someone, anyone, because they are so mad all the time. I also associate it with the image of David Duke strutting around campus in a Nazi uniform, early in his political career, embraced then just like the people of Louisiana would embrace him later when they elected him to office.
Everyone associates different cities and schools with something. I don’t think most view Oxford as any more racist as other comparable southern towns.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 9:14 am to bamaoldtimer
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Battling racism is still a work in progress and always will be.
Almost like the people who make money and get votes from it don’t want it fixed, huh?
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:14 am to John Casey
One said that it was an issue that he worked through and had kids find success despite the perception. The other brought up the perception and continued to talk up Baton Rouge as if it didn’t have segregation like his previous stop. O is being honest. Lane is being a dick.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:19 am to Nutriaitch
My position is that Ole Miss has struggled to win consistently because they’re Ole Miss (WAOM) who share a small state with another in conference school and have lacked resources relative to top tier programs while hiring mediocre to bad coaches, not because of anything that happened 30-70 years ago.
If that civil rights era stuff still mattered Bama and other major SEC schools wouldn’t be signing 5* black kids from CA.
If it mattered for OM it would matter for other schools which tells me it’s not a primary factor in their decision making.
If that civil rights era stuff still mattered Bama and other major SEC schools wouldn’t be signing 5* black kids from CA.
If it mattered for OM it would matter for other schools which tells me it’s not a primary factor in their decision making.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:35 am to captdalton
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I don’t think most view Oxford as any more racist as other comparable southern towns.
I asked ChatGPT, "Is Oxford, MS considered racist?"
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Oxford, Mississippi and the University of Mississippi (“Ole Miss”) have a long and very public history tied to segregation and racism. The 1962 riots over the enrollment of James Meredith are one of the most famous civil-rights flashpoints in the South.
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That history still shapes how many people view Oxford today. The university and town have faced repeated controversies involving Confederate symbols, racial incidents, diversity concerns, and campus culture.
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Oxford today is also known as a relatively progressive college town by Mississippi standards, with a strong arts/literary scene tied to William Faulkner and a more diverse student population than much of rural Mississippi.
Many residents and students actively push back against the school’s Confederate legacy and work toward inclusion.
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So the most accurate answer is probably:
Oxford has a deeply documented racist history and still wrestles with that legacy.
Some people — especially outsiders, Black students, or recruits — still perceive parts of its culture as exclusionary or racially uncomfortable.
But many people who live there would strongly reject the idea that the entire town is uniformly racist today.
I then asked, "What is the most racist SEC college town?"
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There’s no objective ranking for “most racist” SEC college town, and any answer is going to depend heavily on personal experiences, demographics, local politics, policing, campus culture, and how much weight you give to history versus present-day reality.
That said, a few SEC towns come up repeatedly in conversations about racial history because of their connections to segregation, Confederate symbolism, or major civil-rights conflicts:
Oxford — home of University of Mississippi — is probably the town most commonly associated with this reputation because of the 1962 integration crisis involving James Meredith and the long-running controversies around Confederate imagery and traditions at Ole Miss.
Tuscaloosa — home of University of Alabama — also carries a major historical association because of Governor George Wallace and the “stand in the schoolhouse door” episode opposing integration.
Baton Rouge and Athens sometimes get mentioned in broader discussions about racial inequality or tensions, though they also have large progressive/student populations.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:37 am to bstaceyau19
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I think everyone is missing the point.
In this case, reality is irrelevant. If the parents and grandparents and family of a recruit think there is a problem at a certain school, then getting that recruit to come to your school will be difficult. Telling that family that they are full of bull will probably not work.
Remember the movie Blue Chips. Nick Nolte's character visited 2 recruits and had to talk to parents. In each case, the parents lived in la-la-land. But to get those recruits, Nolte had to join them in said la-la-land.
I think that's what Lane and O are referring to. Having to deal with parental delusion is a problem, and pre-conceived notions about Ole Miss and racism are an issue coaches have to deal with in recruiting.
I agree
Posted on 5/15/26 at 10:41 am to TMRebel
Also as soon as coach O left Houston Nutt succeeded with coach Os players.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:01 am to SidewalkTiger
I think the truth is that it's very rarely a meaningful factor for Ole Miss, but to the extent it's still a factor in the SEC at all, Ole Miss is probably more inseparably intertwined with it than anyone else.
If you asked white suburban 16 year olds which SEC school represents old south/antebellum/whatever the most, they'd tell you Ole Miss too. They're not shaking the connection anytime soon, for better or worse.
If you asked white suburban 16 year olds which SEC school represents old south/antebellum/whatever the most, they'd tell you Ole Miss too. They're not shaking the connection anytime soon, for better or worse.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:18 am to SidewalkTiger
I asked ChatGPT:
Here is the response:
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Did David Duke walk around LSU campus wearing a Nazi uniform?
Here is the response:
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Yes. Multiple historical sources and contemporaneous accounts state that David Duke wore Nazi uniforms and Nazi symbols while he was a student at Louisiana State University in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Accounts from biographies, newspaper archives, and university-related reporting describe him:
* wearing a Nazi uniform and swastika armband at demonstrations,
* giving pro-Nazi speeches,
* picketing on campus and at nearby events,
* and becoming “known on the LSU campus for wearing a Nazi uniform.”
One widely documented incident involved Duke protesting civil rights attorney William Kunstler while dressed in Nazi attire and carrying signs such as “Gas the Chicago 7.” There are also archived photographs and television footage from later political campaigns that included images of Duke in Nazi-style uniforms during his LSU years.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:21 am to captdalton
Your sad deflection attempt is noted. 
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:25 am to SidewalkTiger
Your white knighting for David Duke is interesting. I know racism runs rampant through large swaths of Missouri though, so it does make sense.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:38 am to VFL67
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There is zero doubt that Coach O had to recruit against the bad imagery that Ole Miss flaunted at one point. However that was 2 decades ago. Ole Miss of 2005 is quite different from Ole Miss of 2025 as is the whole world
Then why did you guys throw mustard bottles at the Ole Miss head coach a few years back!?
All this time I thought the Vols stood for social justice!
Posted on 5/15/26 at 11:42 am to SidewalkTiger
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I don't even think the perception is fair, but it definitely exists.
The thing these people who downvoted your previous posts aren't getting is that nobody is saying Ole Miss is racist now... In fact these same downvoters probably bitch about how Ole Miss is "woke" these days.
But in Black families of recruits... some of that still lingers. It just does.
As for the Bama poster that is trying to draw the comparison between George Wallace and Ole Miss... I think the big difference is that there was never a riot at Bama... Wallace did his thing and then just stepped aside.
Throw in all the confederate imagery associated with the Ole Miss program... that didn't necessarily exist with Bama... and you have your difference.
As tragic as the Chuckie Mullins thing was... I think for Ole Miss... the way they dealt went a long way in improving their image regarding all this stuff.
And I think internally... it helped the Ole Miss fans and program realize that they were pretty much past all that stuff.
It is what it is though. The history is still there to be dredged up... their program is still named after the Civil War south "rebels"...and so it is still a "thing" to some degree for some older people.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:20 pm to captdalton
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Your white knighting for David Duke is interesting. I know racism runs rampant through large swaths of Missouri though, so it does make sense.
Holy strawman.
Posted on 5/15/26 at 12:52 pm to Olemissrebs2020
quote:And Coach O won a national title at LSU...
Also as soon as coach O left Houston Nutt succeeded with coach Os players.
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