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re: Does anyone seriously believe that bama doesn't make the CFP?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:56 am to bamasgot13
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:56 am to bamasgot13
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Or, you should've just shown up and beaten a 7-5 team. Or, not lost by 30+.
Bama had their opportunity to show up. They didn't. They lost, and now they're out. Sorry bout it.
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Mercer or Iowa, Bama wouldn't have lost that game, much less lost by 31.
Prove it.
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As for strength of schedule, an OSU has played 4 teams that were ranked at time of game.
Who gives a frick where they were ranked "at time of game."
You don't get to count Florida State as a good win this year.
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Even though that stops your strength of schedule argument
No it doesn't. Bama has a trash resume this year. The only argument you have is that Bama only lost once against that trash schedule. Congrats.
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none of that matters b/c the trump card that the committee is going to struggle to get past (as they should) is that an OSU lost by 31 points. THIRTY ONE! To a 7-5 team no less.
I think you're going to be disappointed at how little the committee considers those 31 points.
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:03 am to DisplacedBuckeye
"Bama had their opportunity to show up. They didn't. They lost, and now they're out. Sorry bout it."
Bama proved it all year by remaining undefeated until the last game on their schedule. If they had the same loss in the first 3 games they'd be too 4 without question. When the dust settles after this week and people accept the loss bama will be right back in the conversation.
Bama proved it all year by remaining undefeated until the last game on their schedule. If they had the same loss in the first 3 games they'd be too 4 without question. When the dust settles after this week and people accept the loss bama will be right back in the conversation.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:04 am to Upperaltiger06
Wisconsin yes Clemson and Auburn no. That said I think a one loss Bama gets left out. If Bama had lost by three and it could be attributed to injuries they'd have a better case but that was a beating by Suburn.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:05 am to Upperaltiger06
If they do, Auburn does not. There will never be two teams from the same conference in the playoffs who both have losses.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:06 am to Upperaltiger06
A team that doesn't even win their division should not make the CFP.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:06 am to ShreveportHog94
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So basically the only teams you've played with a pulse.
Florida State had a pulse until Bama pulled the plug.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:07 am to DonaldDuckworth
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Sorry, but the fact that OSU will be conference champs compared to 2nd in the West will trump the "quality of loss"
In what world is losing by 31 points to Iowa quality? They also got handled by OU at home. OSU has 2 bad loses this year.
If Bama gets in, great. If they don't, that's fine too. But the job of the committee is to put the 4 best teams in CFB in the playoffs. If you lose by 31 points to anyone, it's hard to make the case you are one of the 4 best teams. If not Bama, then go with the Pac 2 loss champion...oh. That doesn't make sense either b/c USC has a 35 point loss on their resume.
And conf championships should absolutely matter to fans and alumni, but if that becomes a trump card for the committee, then it assumes all conferences are equal, which they are not.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:09 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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DisplacedBuckeye
Look, I'm guessing Ohio State gets the nod, but don't act like it would be anymore deserved than if Alabama did.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:13 am to Upperaltiger06
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Bama proved it all year by remaining undefeated until the last game on their schedule.
Remaining undefeated against that schedule proves nothing.
UCF is undefeated. Wisconsin is undefeated. If they lose this week, are they still "right back in the conversation?" Nope.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Look, I'm guessing Ohio State gets the nod, but don't act like it would be anymore deserved than if Alabama did.
"Deserve" is irrelevant.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:16 am to tigersbh
lol at anyone thinking this is about resume or who deserves to be there. It’s about politics and who TV wants.
Osu beats wisc and they’re in over bama. One of only a few schools that swing a Bigger stick than bama, and the networks don’t want 3/4 of the playoff from within 500 miles of each other. They need the eyes from the northeast that the BIG brings.
Only way bama is in is if TCu beats Oklahoma.
Mia/Clem winner
Uga/aub winner
Osu/wisc winner
Okla/bama
That’s it
Osu beats wisc and they’re in over bama. One of only a few schools that swing a Bigger stick than bama, and the networks don’t want 3/4 of the playoff from within 500 miles of each other. They need the eyes from the northeast that the BIG brings.
Only way bama is in is if TCu beats Oklahoma.
Mia/Clem winner
Uga/aub winner
Osu/wisc winner
Okla/bama
That’s it
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:17 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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"Deserve" is irrelevant.
My point is it's basically a toss-up and depends on what someone values more. My guess is Ohio State will get the nod because of the Penn State and Wisconsin wins + the conference title + momentum.
Good for Ohio State, I guess, but they'll likely get run by Clemson or Oklahoma again in Round 1. If they get past Wisconsin.
Either way, we're both covered in warts.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:18 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Remaining undefeated against that schedule proves nothing.
Well it proves something. Ohio State lost to a team that would be 4th or 5th on our schedule by 30 points. So, that isn't really an argument that works for Ohio State. So, it proves that us, UCF and Wisconsin were able to do that Ohio State was not - win all our games against teams that were not in an elite tier (and certainly not get woodshedded by them).
Again, it just depends how you want to evaluate things.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
My point is that Bama has very little to value.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ohio State is also 2-1 against top 15 teams. 3-1 if they beat Wisconsin.
Sure. Ohio State should have played Florida State and Mercer instead.
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So, it proves that us, UCF and Wisconsin were able to do that Ohio State was not - win all our games against teams that were not in an elite tier (and certainly not get woodshedded by them).
Sure. Ohio State should have played Florida State and Mercer instead.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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My point is that Bama has very little to value.
I agree - and Ohio State has massive red flags to counteract their 2 (1 being assumed in this situation) good wins.
So, it all comes down to what is valued. And I don't really think either one of us would have room to gripe if the call goes against us.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:26 am to Pickle_Weasel
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A team that doesn't even win their division should not make the CFP.
So ... say if Bama was 12-0 and Ole Miss was 11-1 with only loss being by 3 to Bama ... you're saying that .... oh wait ... never mind ... it's not like that would ever happen, LOL.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:32 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Ohio State is also 2-1 against top 15 teams. 3-1 if they beat Wisconsin.
Ohio State is 1-1 vs Top 15 teams (Penn State, Oklahoma). Michigan State is ranked #19. Ohio State is 2-1 vs the Top 25, currently. Ohio State is 7-1 vs non Top 25.
Alabama would be 1-1 vs Top 15 teams (Auburn, LSU). Alabama is 3-1 vs the Top 25, currently (LSU, Mississippi State, Fresno State). Alabama is 8-0 vs non-Top 25.
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Sure. Ohio State should have played Florida State and Mercer instead.
Instead of Iowa? How's that work? Besides the fact that I'm not sure, based on every other game in their season, computer rankings and my eyes that Iowa is any better than current-day Florida State is.
UNLV lost to Howard, so spare me the Mercer nonsense. Alabama's SOS is #46 per ESPN and #54 per Sagarin. Ohio State's SOS is #50 per ESPN and #42 per Sagarin.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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2 (1 being assumed in this situation) good wins
**3
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:36 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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**3
Ok, so Michigan State and LSU both get added to this list then, giving Ohio State 3 good wins and Alabama 1. That's fine I guess.
Again - it's pretty simple. Ohio State will have a better collection of wins and an uglier collection of losses. All of the computer numbers will shake out to make Alabama and Ohio State nearly identical. It will just depend what is valued more.
I don't think either of us have a leg to stand on in regards to being upset at the outcome.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 10:39 am
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