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re: Discussion: Is 2019 LSU the greatest team of all time?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:44 pm to FourThreeForty
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:44 pm to FourThreeForty
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LSU beat a lot of top teams by slim margins and caught their stride late.
Miami beat an above average schedule by a lot except a team or 2.
Nebraska beat the shite out of everyone on their schedule but played the least amount of ranked teams. BUT, everyone of those ranked teams was in the top 10.
LSU won 12 of 15 games by 14 or more points.
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:44 pm to Arksulli
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Playing with the rules in place during 1945, even though they'd be giving up some weight, Army would maul the 2019 LSU team.
Bull damn shite
Did they even have any black players?
What a dumb post
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:45 pm to WilliamTaylor21
I'd say probably the greatest offense of all-time; at least the best I've ever seen. And I think they were definitely ahead of the '01 Miami team...
But the greatest team I've ever seen is still '95 Nebraska...they were only behind once all season and won every game by 14+...they dominated every team they played. They beat four teams that finished in the top 10 by an average score of something like 49-18 while pitching a couple of shutouts. And they beat a great team in the national championship game, completely overwhelming an undefeated Florida team that had dominated the SEC that season...
But the greatest team I've ever seen is still '95 Nebraska...they were only behind once all season and won every game by 14+...they dominated every team they played. They beat four teams that finished in the top 10 by an average score of something like 49-18 while pitching a couple of shutouts. And they beat a great team in the national championship game, completely overwhelming an undefeated Florida team that had dominated the SEC that season...
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:53 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Posted by: dawgfan24348
Counting Texas as a top 25 win
Should we tell him that Texas finished in the AP Top 25 or nah?
Probably should have questioned counting Texas as a Top 10 win.
Regardless, LSU 2019 had more top 10 wins than any of them. Even if you give the others the benefit of the doubt and presume they win both games in a hypothetical playoff, they still don't have as many top 10 wins.
LSU 2019 had the greatest season of all time.
Are they the greatest TEAM of all time? We'll never know. Football has changed drastically. Comparing 2019 LSU to 1908 LSU, for example.
1908 LSU - 10-0
Average score - 44.2 to 1.1 (7 shutouts, no one score more than 5 - two games LSU scored over 80)
Closest margin of victory - 8 points
No polls for rankings. Gave Auburn their only loss of the season. Only team to score on Auburn all season.
2019 LSU - 15-0
Average score - 48.4 - 21.9
Closest margin of victory - 3 points
Gave Clemson their only loss of the season.
So, is your question "Who would win if they played each other?" 2019 LSU would, of course.
Is your question, "Who dominated their opponents more?" Then the answer is 1908 LSU.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:56 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Yes and it’s not even close. Any speculation on who would win a direct matchup is just that speculation...... training and strategy are always improving so I think its reasonable to think the more recent the teams would probably win... but again it’s just speculation.
Pro careers are a separate discussion. They don’t add anything to the accomplishments of a specific college team. Also at this point LSU’s 2019 players is yet to be determined what they will do as pros....but again a separate discussion.
What is more comparable is the resumes in relation to each season. In that regard no one touches 2019 LSU. The lazy/envious way to knock the 7 top 10 teams at the time of the game” is just to say “oh but Texas sucked”. ... well.... 5 of those finished in the final top 8. The other 2 still ranked. OU, Clemson, UGA, Bama and Florida finished 60-4 vs everyone else,... 0-5 vs LSU. Average margin 19.6 points. Only 1 or those games was @ Tiger Stadium.
This is not even a debate.
Pro careers are a separate discussion. They don’t add anything to the accomplishments of a specific college team. Also at this point LSU’s 2019 players is yet to be determined what they will do as pros....but again a separate discussion.
What is more comparable is the resumes in relation to each season. In that regard no one touches 2019 LSU. The lazy/envious way to knock the 7 top 10 teams at the time of the game” is just to say “oh but Texas sucked”. ... well.... 5 of those finished in the final top 8. The other 2 still ranked. OU, Clemson, UGA, Bama and Florida finished 60-4 vs everyone else,... 0-5 vs LSU. Average margin 19.6 points. Only 1 or those games was @ Tiger Stadium.
This is not even a debate.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:58 pm to S
I did a little bit of research and the impact of the teams as far as comparison lies on the defensive line and linebackers throughout the years.
Nose tackles and DTs are anywhere between 25-50 lbs over what they were even just to 1995 Nebraska’s specific year. Linebackers were slightly bigger and slower but air raids had only recently been popular at that time. Think about Rolando McClain but about 3-4 inches shorter.
Discussing the greatest teams of all time is honestly a fools quest, because you’re always gonna get opposition, bias and malice from other fans despite how good your argument may be. It’s a subjective matter from every angle and could be spun 100 different ways to prove someone’s point. Especially somewhere like tigerdroppings that hasn’t been the same since as the plains burn.
Nose tackles and DTs are anywhere between 25-50 lbs over what they were even just to 1995 Nebraska’s specific year. Linebackers were slightly bigger and slower but air raids had only recently been popular at that time. Think about Rolando McClain but about 3-4 inches shorter.
Discussing the greatest teams of all time is honestly a fools quest, because you’re always gonna get opposition, bias and malice from other fans despite how good your argument may be. It’s a subjective matter from every angle and could be spun 100 different ways to prove someone’s point. Especially somewhere like tigerdroppings that hasn’t been the same since as the plains burn.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:59 pm to r2d2
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OU, Clemson, UGA, Bama and Florida finished 60-4 vs everyone else,... 0-5 vs LSU. Average margin 19.6 points. Only 1 or those games was @ Tiger Stadium.
IMHO, this makes a much better argument than "ranked at gametime".
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:01 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Is 2019 LSU the greatest team of all time?
No.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:02 pm to skrayper
LSU coach Ed Orgeron and his players said “anyone, anywhere” prior to the playoffs.
Throughout the 2020 season, they did indeed beat anyone, anywhere.
Throughout the 2020 season, they did indeed beat anyone, anywhere.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:03 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Best season of all time. Maybe not the best actual team. Definitely top 5.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:04 pm to FourThreeForty
I do think we just saw the best offense ever, especially the best downfield passing attack ever.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:04 pm to RB10
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Throughout the 2020 season
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they did indeed beat anyone, anywhere.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:05 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Not sure about all time, but definitely in my lifetime.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:10 pm to Arksulli
quote:Dude. Our lines on both sides of the ball are way over 300 lbs per player. In 1945, those guys might have averaged 180-200 on their lines. I don't care what kind of rules are in effect, LSU would run those little Army dudes into the ground. We wouldn't have to pass even once. I can guarantee Army wouldn't even score.
Playing with the rules in place during 1945, even though they'd be giving up some weight, Army would maul the 2019 LSU team.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:19 pm to PurpleandGeauld
How would 2019 LSU deal with no pads vs the flying wedge?
That's the REAL debate!
That's the REAL debate!
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:21 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Willis McGahee: 67 Carries, 314 yards, 3 TDs
Joe Burrow had more rushing yards ... he was basically their Ty Davis-Price
Kellen Winslow: 2 Rec., 34 yards
Lanard Fournette had more catches
Antrel Rolle: 8 Tackles, 1 PBU, 1 Int
Maurice Hampton Jr. had more tackles
Sean Taylor: 26 Tackles, 0 PBU, 0 Int
as a freshman... "carved a niche for himself in Miami's secondary in nickel and dime coverage packages... making an impact on special teams"
Oof... RIP AssyHatMan21!
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:35 pm to skrayper
quote:Well, I imagine 11 guys from Army all weighing 120-220 lbs, lining up against 11 guys from LSU. I guess you would go with a 6-man dline weighing an average of over 300 lbs., Shelvin, Apu Ika, Rashard, Logan, Farrell, and Fehoko. 3 LBs, say K'Lavon, Queen, and Phillips average 230ish to fill gaps. 2 safeties, Delpit and Stevens, who are about as heavy as Army's biggest guys to clean up.
How would 2019 LSU deal with no pads vs the flying wedge?
I am telling you, LSU would break those poor guys. And it isn't just the weight, pound for pound LSU guys would be WAY stronger, and WAY faster as well.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:47 pm to skrayper
quote:Well yeah, but that doesn't fit in a pretty chart.
IMHO, this makes a much better argument than "ranked at gametime".
Posted on 1/23/20 at 2:53 pm to PurpleandGeauld
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I am telling you, LSU would break those poor guys. And it isn't just the weight, pound for pound LSU guys would be WAY stronger, and WAY faster as well.
Or, not being used to the way they played back then, Army would just beat the crap out of LSU. By which I mean literally, beat the crap out of them as in we'd see a never ending string of injured LSU players headed to the benches after every play.
Different era. Different rules.
A 300 pound player who just had his knees destroyed is just 300 pounds you have to drag off the field. It would have also been completely legal to take his knees out with a chop block back then. Its one of the reasons you had smaller and more nimble linemen back in the day.
Different era. Different rules.
What you are arguing for, and I addressed in my post but it went way over a lot of folks heads is... yeah 2019 LSU playing 1945 Army with 2019 rules would absolutely destroy them.
You judge a team by their era. It was a different era that required different types of players. What works great now with modern rules might be a tremendous liability back then. What worked then would be completely out gunned today.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:03 pm to Arksulli
quote:Those rules go both ways. All Army's guys would be broke before halftime man.
A 300 pound player who just had his knees destroyed is just 300 pounds you have to drag off the field. It would have also been completely legal to take his knees out with a chop block back then. Its one of the reasons you had smaller and more nimble linemen back in the day.
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