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Coaches who lasted cause of 1 Player

Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:16 am
Posted by VFL67
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:16 am
Came across some discussion and facts on a Tennessee page. Butch Jones, in my opinion, is the worst coach in TN history. The only reason he made it 5 years at Tennessee was that he happened to stumble into a man named Josh Dobbs. Without Dobbs, Jones would be by far the worst coach in Vols history and would have lasted only 2 years. Here is the info from the TN page:

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Nope, Jones was the worst. He literally went 4-8 in year 5, the worst year in the history of Tennessee athletics, possibly ever. At least Dooley and Pruitt never went 0-8 in conference. Jones got so lucky that he found lightning in a bottle with Josh Dobbs, because without Dobbs, Jones probably would have been fired in Year 2. Jones literally won 11 games over 5 years without Joshua Dobbs as his starting QB. That's a (.180) winning percentage without Dobbs. It gets worse. Without Dobbs, Jones only won 1 SEC game in 5 seasons. 13 of Jones's 14 SEC victories came with Josh Dobbs at QB. That means Jones's SEC winning percentage was (.042) without Dobbs under center.

Jones also had the worst home loss ever in TN football history in 2017 against UGA, 41-0. He also recruited Jarrett Guarantano to Tennessee and did not recruit Trevor Lawrence. Butch Jones made us a laughing stock and gave us the worst season and losses in TN history. There has never been a worse coach in TN history.


I remember feeling like Dobbs saved us some games, but I did not realize how much Dobbs bailed Jones out. Butch Jones should donate a percentage of his salary to Joshua Dobbs every year for the rest of his life.

Fuuck you Lyle "Butch" Jones

Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45216 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:19 am to
Gene Chizik - Cam
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12378 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:24 am to
Brian Kelly gets canned much quicker without Jayden Daniels.

Matt McMahon doesn't even get the LSU job without Ja Morant.

Sumlin at A&M owes a lot to Johnny Football.

Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
5183 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:25 am to
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22865 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:27 am to
Cutcliffe - Manning.
Posted by VFL67
Member since Feb 2025
2480 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:32 am to
All are true, but I don't think y'all understand what that stat says. Butch Jones won 1 SEC game without Josh Dobbs while being the HC for 5 years.

1 SEC game...
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
22865 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:33 am to
How many games did Dobbs cost him?
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
9301 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:35 am to
Dan Mullen probably gets fired from Florida a year or two earlier if Franks doesn’t get hurt against Kentucky and Kyle Trask doesn’t see the field
Posted by VFL67
Member since Feb 2025
2480 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:36 am to
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How many games did Dobbs cost him?


Dobbs was far from a perfect QB. However, looking at what he was working with as a coach, the fact that he won any game is insane. Given that Butch averaged 2.4 wins a year without Dobbs yet was the coach for 5 years, I think it's safe to say Dobbs extended Butch's career at TN by at least 3 years.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
6820 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:37 am to
David Cutcliff -Eli Manning
Posted by VFL67
Member since Feb 2025
2480 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:45 am to
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David Cutcliff -Eli Manning


At least Cutcliffe went 8-4 one year without Eli
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27696 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:50 am to
Wouldn’t Coach O be the ultimate winner of this?
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28582 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:54 am to
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Gene Chizik - Cam


We are done here.
Posted by hogwildinhouston
Member since Oct 2011
814 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:55 am to
Houston Nutt at Arkansas had 2 players back to back that saved his arse...

First Matt Jones, then Darren McFadden
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28582 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:59 am to
Dexter McCluster was the only reason we won some games in 2009. Nutt survived, but he had a lot of goodwill going into the 2010 season because of how the 2009 season finished.

Hootie Nutt wasn't giving him the ball at the beginning of the season. He figured out what he had in the middle of the season, and it ended up saving our season.

Here are the stats to prove it.
First six games (4-2 with wins over Memphis, Southeastern Louisiana, Vanderbilt, and UAB)- 38 carries for McCluster
Last seven games (4-2 with wins over Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, and Oklahoma State)- 143 carries for McCluster
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
6813 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:21 am to
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Sumlin at A&M owes a lot to Johnny Football.
I give a lot of the credit for both of them dudes to Mike Evans. Even in the SEC, he was a man amongst boys.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
21140 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:24 am to
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David Cutcliff -Eli Manning



Cutcliffe had some success at Duke without Manning and was 8-4 the year before Manning at Ole Miss.

Worth mentioning, but nothing like a Cam/Chizik situation.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
21140 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:26 am to
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Wouldn’t Coach O be the ultimate winner of this?



Burrow was incredible, but he had a bunch of other absolute studs on the team.

I don't think we can say he lasted just because of Burrow.
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20651 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:30 am to
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Brian Kelly gets canned much quicker without Jayden Daniels.



I doubt it - he was fired late year 4. If he didn't get JD, LSU would still probably be decent in 2022 and 2023. LSU went 9-4 in 2024 with Nuss, and coming back as a senior in 2025, the timeline probably does not shift much if at all.
Posted by Simple Solution
Member since Dec 2024
342 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:31 am to
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Butch Jones, in my opinion, is the worst coach in TN history.

Lane is the worst coach in TN history.
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