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re: Coaches who lasted cause of 1 Player
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:17 pm to VFL67
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:17 pm to VFL67
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When this story broke, it was all about football, and within a month, Kiffin left. That is when people were "rioting."
The other stuff came out later, and you are using hindsight to talk about the events. At the time, no one knew anything except that Kiffin had left us with football violations and that we could be in trouble, with no answers or HC. I don't understand why it is so hard for you people to understand this
Seems like a concerted effort by Tennessee then, as they were aware of the investigation in at least April of 2009.
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"Receipt of the NCAA's notice of allegations by the University of Tennessee is another step in bringing this matter to conclusion," Tennessee athletics director Mike Hamilton said in a statement. "Our institution has operated in complete cooperation with the NCAA since April 2009 as they have pursued their investigations. We take these allegations seriously and most items noted in this document have already been reported broadly."
Several of the earliest violations appear to have taken place in 2008, prior to Kiffin even being hired. It seems likely that the investigation actually started with Pearl and the basketball program.
All of the football violations were relatively minor, hardly worth rioting over. It also seems like an overreaction as it's pretty common for Tennessee football to be under NCAA investigation.
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:22 pm to theCAW
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Urban recruited Cam, who was likely set up and expelled with that BS laptop situation so that Brantley could be forced onto the fan base.
Well this is certainly intriguing.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Seems like a concerted effort by Tennessee then, as they were aware of the investigation in at least April of 2009.
That's the stupidest shite I have heard yet, and I have no doubts that UT admin knew things were going on. But the fans (the ones rioting) knew nothing except that the football program was under investigation for violations, and our coach just left without giving any answers. A very fair thing to be angry about
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Several of the earliest violations appear to have taken place in 2008, prior to Kiffin even being hired. It seems likely that the investigation actually started with Pearl and the basketball program.
That's not what was being discussed, and either way, no fan knew anything about that. Hence why I am trying to explain to your pea-sized brain that you are using too much hindsight. Kiffin had been gone for months before any fan knew anything beyond that football was in trouble.
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All of the football violations were relatively minor, hardly worth rioting over.
Nobody knew this at the time you idiot. All that was known was that Kiffin had come and gone, leaving us in trouble with the NCAA and no answers, which is objectively dickhead thing to do
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It also seems like an overreaction as it's pretty common for Tennessee football to be under NCAA investigation.
Tennessee hadn't been in trouble with the NCAA since it had self-reported violations almost 10 years prior, and before that, it had been since 1983. Literally, you could not keep writing more wrong stuff.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:33 pm to theCAW
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That happened because he was pressured by Disney Gator Bull boosters who showed favoritism towards Brantley because of his family’s ties to the university.
Urban recruited Cam, who was likely set up and expelled with that BS laptop situation so that Brantley could be forced onto the fan base.
The meddling of the Disney Bull Gator boosters like Gary Condon is why urban left UF and why the program has been circling the drain since
There is a lot of truth to this. But this happens at a lot of programs. When boosters fork over cash to get a player, they don't want that player to sit the bench. I have very good knowledge of this and it almost cost us a really good running back who considered transferring after his freshman year. I won't name him but he finished his career at UF as the all time leading rusher.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:36 pm to VFL67
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Nobody knew this at the time you idiot.
Why? Tennessee fans can't read?
There are numerous articles from when the investigation was announced that lay out the violations that are being looked into, all relatively minor.
From 12/9/09:
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Principal in the violations are the use of recruiting hostesses. According to The Times story, "hostesses traveled nearly 200 miles to attend a high school game in South Carolina in which at least three Tennessee recruits were playing."
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:43 pm to VFL67
Texas was middling and sputtering, and was going to fire Mack Brown until Vince Young saved his job.
Young basically stopped running the crap plays the OC was calling and improvised. Then they finally just let him cook.
Mack owes Young millions of dollars…
Young basically stopped running the crap plays the OC was calling and improvised. Then they finally just let him cook.
Mack owes Young millions of dollars…
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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There are numerous articles from when the investigation was announced that lay out the violations that are being looked into, all relatively minor.
for the last time.
No fan knew about other violations. No fan knew if we were going to be in big trouble over this stuff. No fan knew if another coach would take the job of a program in an NCAA investigation. At the time, Kiffin never answered a single question about why he left. He never even alluded to the possibility of his departure. He just left on a random night after a 3-TD loss in a bowl game the next week. He left us with no recruits, no answers, and no certainty about what would come next. That is why fans rioted, and it would have been the same for any HC in my lifetime of being a TN fan, regardless of whether they were good or bad, because no one knows what a coach's future is after one year so they dont wanna lose a first year HC thats been invested in
All that was known the night people rioted was that our coach left us after one year, and the NCAA is investigating events that occurred during that year. Now fuuck off you flea
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:56 pm to VFL67
I wonder if there is still video of Butch Jones getting on the megaphone at TN practice. Sometimes He sounded just like that cult leader Jim Jones from that movie they made about the Guyana massacre - when he was telling everyone to drink the cyanide Kool-Aid.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:00 pm to theCAW
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Dan Mullen probably gets fired from Florida a year or two earlier if Franks doesn’t get hurt against Kentucky and Kyle Trask doesn’t see the field
This exactly
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:02 pm to VFL67
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for the last time.
No fan knew about other violations. No fan knew if we were going to be in big trouble over this stuff. No fan knew if another coach would take the job of a program in an NCAA investigation. At the time, Kiffin never answered a single question about why he left. He never even alluded to the possibility of his departure. He just left on a random night after a 3-TD loss in a bowl game the next week. He left us with no recruits, no answers, and no certainty about what would come next. That is why fans rioted, and it would have been the same for any HC in my lifetime of being a TN fan, regardless of whether they were good or bad, because no one knows what a coach's future is after one year
All that was known the night people rioted was that our coach left us after one year, and the NCAA is investigating events that occurred during that year. Now fuuck off
There was definitely information available. It seems like your stance is that the average Tennessee fan was too dumb to access said information and then rioted over NCAA penalties that "might" happen.
You say he didn't answer any questions about why he left, but his statement literally tells you why he left.
I don't doubt that the investigation played a role, but fan quotes from that time indicate more of a problem with Lane leaving because Tennessee fans thought they were above their coaches leaving for other jobs, a feeling of betrayal, and fans/players being pissed because they thought Lane was building something. Barely anyone mentioned the investigation.
Speaking to hindsight, your stance on people being angry over O and Lane telling players to come with them doesn't seem to hold water because all of that came out after the initial rioting.
I also don't really understand the questions as to whether a coach would come to a program that was under NCAA investigation, as Kiffin was quite literally doing that in going to USC.
The things you're saying are true but you seem to making them a bigger part of the problem, than they actually were.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
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There was definitely information available
Holy shite i lived through it there wasnt
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I also don't really understand the questions as to whether a coach would come to a program that was under NCAA investigation, as Kiffin was quite literally doing that in going to USC.
Kiffin literally has said he was not informed of how big the NCAA penalties were when he got to USC. His dad backed it up and said their biggest mistake was leaving Tennessee so you are wrong yet again
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you seem to making them a bigger part of the problem, than they actually were
Yes please continue to tell me, a Tennessee fan, what the mindset and reasonings of other tennessee fans at my school and hometown was 16 years ago when I was living there and you werent. Dick
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:18 pm to VFL67
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Holy shite i lived through it there wasnt
The articles are still available, timestamped and everything. Were there not newspapers or Internet in Tennessee at that time?
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Kiffin literally has said he was not informed of how big the NCAA penalties were when he got to USC. His dad backed it up and said their biggest mistake was leaving Tennessee so you are wrong yet again
Again, Lane took a job at a university that was under NCAA investigation, with no awareness of what the final outcome would be. Yet, Tennessee fans didn't know if another coach would take a job at their university, that was also under NCAA investigation, with no awareness of what the final outcome would be.
Looking at the information available in December 2009, the USC violations appeared to be more serious.
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Yes please continue to tell me, a Tennessee fan, what the mindset and reasonings of other tennessee fans at my school and hometown was 16 years ago when I was living there and you werent. Dick
I don't know what the mindset of Tennessee fans actually was. I'm just going off of the news stories and videos available from that time. Their quotes, their statements. Perhaps they were lying and everyone was super concerned about this investigation into fairly minor violations. I don't know.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:19 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I don't know what the mindset of Tennessee fans actually was
It appears that a Tennessee fan is trying to tell you.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:22 pm to Quicksilver
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It appears that a Tennessee fan is trying to tell you.
His statements don't seem to line up with what Tennessee fans, in general, were actually saying at the time. Perhaps that was always his mindset, I don't know.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:55 pm to Quicksilver
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It appears that a Tennessee fan is trying to tell you.
Shhhhh, she doesn't like it when you point things out. Let her continue to make authoritative statements with zero knowledge of what she is talking about, aside from what ChatGPT says. She will get tired out eventually before looking for something else to biitch about. That or she will go back to flicking her bean to the thought of sleeping with Kiffin
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:15 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Didn't we win a National title with Chris Leak at QB?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:26 pm to VFL67
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Shhhhh, she doesn't like it when you point things out. Let her continue to make authoritative statements with zero knowledge of what she is talking about, aside from what ChatGPT says. She will get tired out eventually before looking for something else to biitch about. That or she will go back to flicking her bean to the thought of sleeping with Kiffin
This is all very specific, almost as if it's a projection or something. Perhaps that's why you feel so jilted by Kiffin's departure despite the ample amount of time that has passed since.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:29 pm to VFL67
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Butch Jones, in my opinion, is the worst coach in TN history.
Derek Dooley was there 3 years and had losing records all three years.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:30 pm to VFL67
Not CFB but Bill Bel because of Tom Brady
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