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re: Carson Beck - will be leave for the NFL, Dawgs?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 8:08 am to SoFla Tideroller
Posted on 12/1/23 at 8:08 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I'm assuming that the Falcons will not be high enough for the first 2 QBs (unless there's a trade of picks that I don't recall).
They won't. Likely be picking 7-14
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 8:17 am to User_Name
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Beck still has some issues to iron out (deep ball underthrows and throwing slightly behind receivers on crossing routes). He's definitely a great QB, and has the skills that translate to the NFL, but he can be elite.
My questions with him are whether he can run an offense that requires him to make harder throws on a routine basis and moreso whether he can operate under pressure.
He's getting the ball out so quickly and the OL has protected him to such a degree that I don't think anyone knows whether he can deliver when he's getting hit every other down.
Think about how Mac Jones looked at Alabama then compare it to what he's had to deal with in NE. Everyone seems to think the average young QB gets dropped into some ideal offense with a great OL and skill guys but the reality is they are usually being drafted because the team selecting them doesn't have those things as Bryce and Mac both learned immediately in the league.
Even Tua who is now tearing it up in Miami went through those tough early seasons when he didn't have a good OL, was taking a beating and the skill players weren't there yet.
Same thing for Stafford in Detroit before he went to LA and won the championship.
Now the same guy with a great OL and Hill/Waddle outside is an MVP candidate.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:31 am to Crowknowsbest
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I love Van Pran, but right now he’s projected to be a mid-round pick. That’s replicable when you recruit like UGA does.
IDK, I'm very high on Van Pran. I think hes easily the best center in the SEC of probably the past decade, and there have been some good ones with guys like Ryan Kelly and Frank Ragnow. A top tier center like that makes a huge difference on the OL, even if the group is uber-talented.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:31 am to tide06
Idk to me it feels like you answered you own question in your post.
Good qbs look bad in the NFL with bad OL protection. They get a good OL, suddenly they look good. Beck would probably look the same. Seems pretty simple, no?
Good qbs look bad in the NFL with bad OL protection. They get a good OL, suddenly they look good. Beck would probably look the same. Seems pretty simple, no?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:45 am to Bigdawgb
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Good qbs look bad in the NFL with bad OL protection. They get a good OL, suddenly they look good. Beck would probably look the same. Seems pretty simple, no?
Agree - the difference in the great ones and the functional ones are the guys who can find ways to win games with average OL and/or average WRs. Nobody can win in the NFL with a "bad" OL.
There are certain QBs whose physical traits give them more of a chance with worse OL, but in general it defines what you can do as a QB.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:50 am to tide06
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Now the same guy with a great OL and Hill/Waddle outside is an MVP candidate.
Ummmmmmmm...
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:00 am to memphisplaya
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I'm super impressed with his ability to play behind an NFL Oline and literally not have to do anything.
Because LSU never has any good players.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:46 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
I hope so.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 12:53 pm to meansonny
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Why does everyone look to senior day as the tell all if he is leaving or coming back?
For me it is a chance to let the fans show their appreciation for the hard work you've put in. Typically if you are definitely leaving you typically walk on seinor day. I don't recall (right off the top of my head) a major player that did not walk on senior day when he knew he was definitely leaving.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:17 pm to DawgsLife
He throws the prettiest ball in college football. Them spirals are always tight and it's coming at you hard. Catch it or eat it.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:35 pm to DawgsLife
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I don't recall (right off the top of my head) a major player that did not walk on senior day when he knew he was definitely leaving.
You qualified your statement with "definitely".
Xavier Truss walked in 2022.
He came back.
Juniors don't walk. And they may enter the draft.
2021: stetson bennett, Chris Smith, and Robert Beal Jr all walked on senior day. All 3 returned in 2022.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 1:53 pm to meansonny
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Why does everyone look to senior day as the tell all if he is leaving or coming back?
It's no "tell all", but simply knowing that most players, if they know it's their final game in Sanford, elect to walk and be celebrated is enough to know that it is a "tell" for something. Kirby gives the opportunity to everyone who is leaving, even RS Juniors, and it's rare that it's not taken.
Maybe Beck didn't want the distraction. Maybe he's undecided and didn't think it appropriate. Maybe he wants to wait until next year.
Maybe he wants to go Back-to-Back-to-Back-to-Back. And, maybe, Bowers does too.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 2:17 pm to Cheer
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And, maybe, Bowers does too.
I won't say that a true junior has never walked on senior day
But it is typically reserved for 4th year guys only.
I can't think of a 3 year guy who was permitted to walk (roquan, Jalen, Fromm etc..)
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:00 pm to meansonny
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You qualified your statement with "definitely".
Yes, I did.
quote:Ok. But we are talking about a player who did NOT walk even though they planned on leaving.
Xavier Truss walked in 2022.
He came back.
Juniors don't walk. And they may enter the draft.
quote:And examples of players who did not walk yet left?
2021: stetson bennett, Chris Smith, and Robert Beal Jr all walked on senior day. All 3 returned in 2022.
Look. I am not saying you are wrong and he is coming back because he did not walk, but it certainly should give some insight into what he is thinking at this moment. maybe it changes and he does leave. But if he felt like he was going to leave, then I would think he would have walked.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:05 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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If you're the Falcons with that poo-poo platter at QB, and you're sitting there on draft day and Beck is available, do you pull the trigger*? An otherwise decent offensive roster that would be wasted remaining status quo at QB.
*I'm assuming that the Falcons will not be high enough for the first 2 QBs (unless there's a trade of picks that I don't recall).
I get that a good QB is a must have in pro football, but it's just hard for me to see a high draft choice for a QB. They seem to be so hit and miss these days. The higher draft choices seem to struggle a lot. Maybe it is just my perception.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:26 pm to DawgsLife
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am not saying you are wrong
I'm right because you had to qualify your statement with "definitely".
If you had any semblance of a point as it relates to what Carson beck is doing with regards to walking with the senior class, you couldn't use that word at all.
Once you use that word, the rest of your post is gibberish because it doesn't apply to Carson in any fashion.
Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:37 pm to meansonny
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I'm right because you had to qualify your statement with "definitely".
Ok. But the subject was players who did not walk then left. You used two examples of just the opposite. Can you think of a player who did not walk, then left to go to the NFL? quote:
If you had any semblance of a point as it relates to what Carson beck is doing with regards to walking with the senior class, you couldn't use that word at all.
Sure, I can. My whole point is that since he did not walk it is indicative that at this point in time he thinks he will be coming back. If it makes you feel better, take the word "definitely" out. He did not walk, so it is my opinion that he is at least considering coming back at this point in time.
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Once you use that word, the rest of your post is gibberish because it doesn't apply to Carson in any fashion.
And how do your examples of players who walked yet came back apply to Carson Beck?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:40 pm to meansonny
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I'm right because you had to qualify your statement with "definitely".
If you had any semblance of a point as it relates to what Carson beck is doing with regards to walking with the senior class, you couldn't use that word at all.
Once you use that word, the rest of your post is gibberish because it doesn't apply to Carson in any fashion.
Am I wrong?
Reread the original post you took exception with. Here it is:
It will be interesting. He did not walk on Senior Day, so some have speculated the will return. As an above poster said, if he does well Saturday and (if we make it) the playoffs, then he will probably be gone. If he struggles he might return.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:52 pm to meansonny
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meansonny
You and me got a score to settle homey.
For starters, you still haven't answered my question on page 3 on who gets drafted before Beck if he's the 3rd QB off the board.
But back in July, you were adamant that Daniels was not the best QB in the SEC. Based on what, exactly?
Based on this flawless logic from you:
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LSU does not have any clear advantage at QB over UGA as evidenced by the lack of LSU fans nutting up and putting some real numbers to their beliefs.
So, I made a prediction:
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LSU's QB's will account for 5000 yards and 40 TD's this season.
Admittedly, I was a little off.
LSU's QB's accounted for 4,011 yards through the air, another 1,154 on the ground and 52 touchdowns.
Your prediction:
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UGA 4100 yards and 39 TDs.
Did they make it?
Gunner Stockton, 52 yards passing, 17 rushing, 0 TD
Brock Vandagriff, 165 yards passing, 39 rushing, 2 TD
Carson Beck 3,495 passing, 128 rushing, 25 TD
For a total of 3,730 yards passing, 184 yards rushing, and 28 TD.
Check out sonny's 5 page meltdown here.
Just uhhh, disregard my boasting about LSU playing for the SEC. I had no idea our defense was as bad as Stetson Bennett's attempt at sobriety.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Reread the original post you took exception with. Here it is:
It will be interesting. He did not walk on Senior Day, so some have speculated the will return. As an above poster said, if he does well Saturday and (if we make it) the playoffs, then he will probably be gone. If he struggles he might return.
By take exception, my point is that walking on senior day doesn't matter. Many players have done it twice. Many players have never done it.
I thought I was pretty clear that I don't know why the barometer of whether Carson stays or goes is walking on senior day.
What part of that are you taking exception to?
Your only point so far as I can tell is that players who are definitely leaving walk on senior day. I pointed out that wasn't true. Many have walked two years in a row.
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