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re: Can we please discuss this "eye test" advantage Bama supposedly has...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:00 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:00 am to BHMKyle
I despise bama... but let's be real. If the Iron Bowl was in Tuscaloosa good chance that they would have won that game... if Bama vs msstate was in Tuscaloosa MsState would have never been in that game. Bama passes the eye test as much as i hate it. on a neutral field Bama is a top 4 team. That's the bottom line
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:02 am to BHMKyle
I've never watched another coach go on national tv and lobby for his team to get in the playoffs.
I'm glad it worked tho. Clemson Bama part 3
I'm glad it worked tho. Clemson Bama part 3
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:03 am to BHMKyle
The Bottom Line in choosing between Alabama and Ohio State based on the "eye test":
Alabama won the game against a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Texas A&M)
Ohio State was crushed by a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Iowa)
Alabama won the game against a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Texas A&M)
Ohio State was crushed by a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Iowa)
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:05 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Now please break down Ohio State’s 31 point loss at unranked Iowa. How much of that performance appeared playoff worthy?
It didn't.
Now get back to my point and tell me in which games did Bama look Playoff worthy. Give me their most playoff worthy performance of the season.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:13 am to remaster916
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Iowa and Texas A&M are comparable teams
Okay good point.
Now compare their performances against "similar teams" #6 Wisconsin and #7 Auburn... OHio State won by 6; Bama lost by 12.
How about the performance against "similar teams" #16 Michigan State and #17 LSU?.... Ohio State won by 45; Bama won by 14.
How about the performance against "similar teams #23 Mississippi State and 8-4 Michigan?.... Ohio State won by 11; Alabama won by 7.
This is my entire point: The Committee decided to zero in on one comparison rather than looking at the resumes as a whole. The loss to Iowa is a huge blemish.... But Ohio State played 4 opponents in the Top 16 compared to Bama who played 1 opponent in the Top 16... And lost. Badly.
I'm old enough to remember when they said Strength of Schedule was an important factor.... but I guess that metric was thrown around when the committee needed it to verify their narrative.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:17 am to yatesdog38
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but let's be real. If the Iron Bowl was in Tuscaloosa good chance that they would have won that game... if Bama vs msstate was in Tuscaloosa MsState would have never been in that game.
So we can quietly look past Bama's missteps by assuming the outcome would be different if it were played in a different venue. So you can say with 100% certainty that had Ohio State played Iowa in Columbus, nothing would have changed? You can say with certainty that the same team that beat #9 Penn State, #16 Michigan State, and 8-4 Michigan by an average of 20 points would never have won a do-over against Iowa in a different venue?
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Bama passes the eye test as much as i hate it.
Okay. Each is deserving of his own opinion. But do me a favor. Tell us which Bama performance was the most Playoff worthy this season. Which game?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:19 am to Country Lawyer
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Alabama won the game against a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Texas A&M)
Ohio State was crushed by a 7-5 conference opponent on the opponent's home field (Iowa)
Now do their comparative performance against #16 Michigan State and #17 LSU.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:23 am to BHMKyle
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Why is it that every other team is judged by their performance against good teams
Bama isn't judged as to how they perform against good teams?
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yet Bama gets to be judged on their ability to thrash lowly teams like Vanderbilt, Tennessee, and Ole Miss?
I would say Georgia has thrashed a lot of lowly teams. The East is shite. UGA eked out a win against ND and got their shite pushed in the first time at JHS and got a beat up Auburn after the Iron Bowl.
The criteria Bama is judged by is no different,
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:25 am to BHMKyle
Please seek professional help
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:26 am to BHMKyle
I think the eye test had very little to do with the final decision. The playoff committee chairman basically said, point blank, that the 30 point loss to an unranked team was unforgivable.
That’s why Alabama is in and OSU is not.
That’s why Alabama is in and OSU is not.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:29 am to BHMKyle
The change from the BCS formula to the CFP has essentially shifted the argument from who's no. 2 and 3 to who's no. 4 and 5. I don't know or really care who should be no. 4 this year since I'm a fan of neither team, but this argument is going to occur just as many years as not, just like the old BCS system.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:31 am to BHMKyle
Alabama doesn’t get blown out on the road like Ohio State or Georgia
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:33 am to BHMKyle
Blame Wisconsin for Bama getting in. 
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:37 am to BHMKyle
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Tell us which Bama performance was the most Playoff worthy this season. Which game?
All of them....our 11-1 record
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:38 am to BHMKyle
And Wisconsin's only loss was to the Big 10 champion. Wisconsin was penalized for a conference championship game appearance, Bama was rewarded for missing the SECCG.
The 'eye test' is a load of horseshite. Bama got in because of their history, not because of how they played this year - Same story with Ohio St. last season
There is too much human bias. Let them settle it on the field, and not let a bunch of yahoos pick the best teams.
The 'eye test' is a load of horseshite. Bama got in because of their history, not because of how they played this year - Same story with Ohio St. last season
There is too much human bias. Let them settle it on the field, and not let a bunch of yahoos pick the best teams.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:40 am to BHMKyle
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Ohio State certainly has its faults as well, but for all of the media talking heads to act as if Bama is clearly the better team despite a worse resume is not based on facts.
Go ahead and break down Ohio State's 2 losses and their 4 biggest wins in the same way please.
Reminder : 2 of those "Top 15 wins" are Wisconsin and Michigan State. Have at it defending those two programs as wins that we should all stand and applaud for or trying to convince anyone that those two teams would muster and sort of fight against Clemson, Alabama or Oklahoma. Penn State was a solid win, that's a good team. However, Penn State's best win is against 8-4 Michigan.
Alabama and Ohio State, at their best, are probably relatively equal teams. Ohio State has shown on numerous occasions that they are more than capable of showing up at an absolute dreadful low, though, and Alabama's low this season (and for a decade) doesn't even begin to come close to that of Ohio State's.
That's the argument.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:41 am to R11
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So basically Wisconsin got penalized for having to play in a conf champ game.
They lost by 6.
Alabama didn't win it's division much less it's conf , got a week off and moved up In the poll without even playing.
It's bull shite and total Bama bias.
This is what it boils down to.
I think bama is better than Ohio St, but the committee essentially punished the division winners for having to play a conference game
it's stupid.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:43 am to BHMKyle
Bama has one loss--to the same team Georgia lost to. We softened auburn up for you for the championship game. You should be thanking us.
Georgia will get fricked by Oklahoma, so you won't get to find out how good Bama truly is.
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Did you watch the game and see how bad they are?
Georgia will get fricked by Oklahoma, so you won't get to find out how good Bama truly is.
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And Wisconsin's only loss was to the Big 10 champion.
Did you watch the game and see how bad they are?
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:43 am to HailToTheChiz
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I think bama is better than Ohio St, but the committee essentially punished the division winners for having to play a conference game
Ohio State desperately needed to play Wiscnosin. The conference title game was their only shot to gain back some ground. Without it they had 2 "Top 15 wins", 1 of which was Michigan State. They also had 2 losses, both by 14+ points and 1 of which was a 30+ loss to a 7-5 team.
As for Wisconsin, I mean people can theoretically live in this "Wisconsin deserves to be in and was penalized" world if they want, but if we want to live in the real world we all know that is not the case. They would have avoided both the best teams in their conference (Penn State and Ohio State) while going 12-0 in the worst division in the P5 with a OOC schedule that did not include a P5 opponent. And, everyone knows (and was confirmed, for the 178th straight time) that they are not a Top 4 football team. Ever, except for possibly the 1 season they had Russell Wilson. Same with Michigan State.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:45 am to HailToTheChiz
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the committee essentially punished the division winners for having to play a conference game
The committee is no different then the BCS system they replaced. Instead of 2 teams, it's 4.
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