re: Can we please discuss this "eye test" advantage Bama supposedly has...

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I've asked the question about 15 times, and no one has answered my question: Which game was Bama's most Playoff worthy accomplishment? Anyone? Bueller?

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In light of the fact that 2 of the 3 teams all lost to unranked opponents (and a 3rd who was hoping to be in), 1 of them by 30+ points, I think the fact that once again Alabama handled every single one of their unranked games should be looked at as an accomplishment.

Alabama did not lose to UR Texas A&M. Alabama did not lose to UR Ole Miss. Alabama did not lose to UR Vanderbilt. You can laugh and say that doesn't matter, but Clemson lost to a 4-8 team and Oklahoma lost to a 7-5 team and Ohio State lost to a 7-5 team by 30+ points. Alabama did not, and never does. Add to that beating two Top 20 teams and having 1 loss to a Top 8 team on the road, and while it is certainly a different LOOKING resume, it is just as worthy as Ohio State.

Again, it's slightly laughable that Ohio State is treated as if they climbed Everest because they beat Wisconsin and Michigan State. Good grief. Michigan State is a borderline Top 25 team in EVERY metric, but for some reason the CFP Committee continues to rank them in the Top 15.

Can you honestly tell me you would take Wisconsin or Michigan State over LSU on a neutral field or in Death Valley today or in November? Because all of the metrics (FPI, Sagarin, F+, S&P+) would have Wisconsin/LSU as a toss up and LSU as a solid favorite against Michigan State.

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I agree. We also beat #7 Auburn by three scores We also beat #14 Notre Dame on the road. We also beat #23 Mississippi State by four scores. Again these are 3 accomplshments that are far more impressive than Bama's best accomplishment.

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And? Is Georgia not ceded higher in the payoff rankings? You mention how we nearly lost to MSU on the road but yet you gloss over the fact that beat Notre Dame by +1 on the road. You blown out by 23 the first time by Auburn and we lost by less than two scores. UGA's record is only marginally better than Bama's which is why you are ceded higher. Bama and UGA, it appears to me, are evaluated similarly.

Do you want the best 4 teams in the playoffs? A healthy Alabama team is one of the best 4 teams in the country.

If you don't want the best 4 teams, lets just give every team a participation trophy.

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but I would assume that Ohio State's 45-point win over Michigan State is the most lopsided win any team had this year over another Top 25 team (current rankings). Why is that not factored if the margin of their loss to Iowa is?

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It is factored in but it is not enough to compensate for the fact that OSU got destroyed by an unranked team. You cant overlook that.

>Yes but Bama's high is nowhere near Ohio State's high.

and Bama's low is nowhere near as low as OSU's and OSU lost twice by double digits

>Please for the love of God someone from the Alabama Nation tell me which individual game this season was Bama's most playoff-worthy performance. Anyone?

Probably LSU and the fact that Bama didnt lose to an unranked Iowa

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Ohio State beat #16 Michigan State by 45 points. If the margin of a loss is going to be the deciding factor in who makes the playoff, should a 45-point margin of victory against a Top 16 team not also be factored? I don't have the answer to this question, but I would assume that Ohio State's 45-point win over Michigan State is the most lopsided win any team had this year over another Top 25 team (current rankings). Why is that not factored if the margin of their loss to Iowa is?

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We're really talking about beating up on Michigan State as the high ceiling win that should propel Ohio State to the CFB and balance out losing by 30+ to Iowa?

Really? Michigan State?

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Yes but Bama's high is nowhere near Ohio State's high.

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Based on what??????? Ohio State beating Wisconsin by 8? Ohio State killing Michigan frickin State?

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Please for the love of God someone from the Alabama Nation tell me which individual game this season was Bama's most playoff-worthy performance. Anyone?

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LSU by 2 TDs, probably.

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In light of the fact that 2 of the 3 teams all lost to unranked opponents (and a 3rd who was hoping to be in), 1 of them by 30+ points, I think the fact that once again Alabama handled every single one of their unranked games should be looked at as an accomplishment.

Alabama did not lose to UR Texas A&M. Alabama did not lose to UR Ole Miss. Alabama did not lose to UR Vanderbilt. You can laugh and say that doesn't matter, but Clemson lost to a 4-8 team and Oklahoma lost to a 7-5 team and Ohio State lost to a 7-5 team by 30+ points. Alabama did not, and never does. Add to that beating two Top 20 teams and having 1 loss to a Top 8 team on the road, and while it is certainly a different LOOKING resume, it is just as worthy as Ohio State.

Again, it's slightly laughable that Ohio State is treated as if they climbed Everest because they beat Wisconsin and Michigan State. Good grief. Michigan State is a borderline Top 25 team in EVERY metric, but for some reason the CFP Committee continues to rank them in the Top 15.

Can you honestly tell me you would take Wisconsin or Michigan State over LSU on a neutral field or in Death Valley today or in November? Because all of the metrics (FPI, Sagarin, F+, S&P+) would have Wisconsin/LSU as a toss up and LSU as a solid favorite against Michigan State.

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So this is really what we are going to go with? Really? It was Bama's performance against 6-6 Ole Miss, 4-8 Tennessee, and 4-8 Vanderbilt that was their most Playoff-worthy accomplishment.

You bemoan Wisconsin because everyone (including myself) knows they did not accomplish much this season despite going 12-1.... yet in the next breath you say that Bama deserves a Playoff bid because of their consistency against garbage opponents with losing records.

Do you not see the inconsistency here?

This is the problem. Next season you could completely flip Ohio State's and Bama's resumes and Bama fans would be pointing out that Ohio State had not played anyone, and that they play in the toughest conference in the land and won the Conference Championship despite playing 4 opponents in the Top 16..... you know and and I know it. THat's what would be said.

And your conference brethren would have your back then because we in the SEC typically fight for the fact that we do play the toughest schedules in the land... in most years. This is why we all believed LSU should have gotten the nod over USC in 2003 and why Auburn should have gotten the nod over Oklahoma in 2004, etc.

But this time it doesn't fit the bill. Alabama clearly played a much, much weaker schedule and they have very little if anything to show for in the realm of concrete "accomplishments."

I guess those of us who see the mistake that was made yesterday are just used to standing up to defend those teams who played a tough schedule and earned a spot based on merit... based on big wins on the field. I don't want to be a hypocrite and now try to defend a team's inclusion when they had ZERO wins against the Top 16. That's a big problem for me. And if the situations were exactly reversed, it would be a big problem for you too and you know that.

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They got penalized for beating one top 25 team

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Yeah. Beating only the #20 team is a joke!!! But beating the #17 and #23 team, now THAT'S IMPRESSIVE, BABY!!!

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Michigan State is better than Bama's best win.

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Michigan State is a middling team that is being propped up by the committee based on a freak delay induced win over Penn State. Every human with eyes and computer with algorithms knows that isn't a Top 15 team.

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Alabama didn't win it's division much less it's conf , got a week off and moved up In the poll without even playing.

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Not the 1st time this happened.