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Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You are as qualified as a Bama fan.
Objectively not true as Brian Kelly has never been at Alabama
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you are too close to be impartial.
I have a lot more facts than you do
You continue to make my case for me that you are too close to the situation.
Your definition of "objectively" and "facts" are hilarious in this thread.
I love all 8 pages of your "facts" about Saban:Kelly personalities. Your sincerity is the funniest part.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:06 pm to ibldprplgld
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This is about personality. It isn't cherry picked. It is who Bryan Kelly is. He is more "used car salesman" than inspirational leader. Me critiquing his personality has nothing to do with his ability to hire a staff, coach a practice, or call a game.
I had the same opinion of him while he was at ND, but it was based more in my own ignorance because I didn’t follow his pressers.
Since he’s been at LSU, I obviously follow him more closely. My assessment of him while he was at ND, and yours presently, could not be further off the mark.
He’s not an a-hole, he loves Louisiana and the welcome he received here (he’s returned that goodwill), and the players love him. Not sure what else needs to be said.
You are actually agreeing with me.
I've said that Brian Kelly is likable (in juxtaposition to Saban).
A used car salesman is going to read the room and be the gravitational pull to draw folks in. He changes personality when dealing with residents/fans. He changes personality when dealing with media obligations. He changes personality when recruiting. He might even change his accent.
And it works (which is why he does it).
Kirby has faced Kelly 3 times. I've seen the media sessions. I've seen public engagements.
I'm not a Brian Kelly expert. But he isn't some big enigma.
Draconian is adamant that Kelly and Saban have similar personalities (again, this isn't about coaching ability, hiring ability, or GameDay playcalling ability).
When I say that Kelly is likable and Saban isn't, draconian shuts up and spouts his unsubstantiated opinions of something else. He changes the subject (which may be why you and I are in agreement and you don't even know it).
At the end of the day, Kelly is a likable guy.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:23 pm to meansonny
Got it.
When I hear “used car salesman” it has a much more negative connotation to me than it does to you — such as not sincere, dishonest, unreliable, unlikeable, etc.
I’ve never heard the phrase used in a positive light.
When I hear “used car salesman” it has a much more negative connotation to me than it does to you — such as not sincere, dishonest, unreliable, unlikeable, etc.
I’ve never heard the phrase used in a positive light.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:31 pm to ibldprplgld
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When I hear “used car salesman” it has a much more negative connotation to me than it does to you — such as not sincere, dishonest, unreliable,
Well...
A used car salesman mirrors his audience. He is going to be what you want him to be. That is why he is likable.
Is he actually that person in another setting?
I've never heard Kelly lie. So I wouldn't call him dishonest. But he wears a mask when dealing with a family from Memphis that he changes when dealing with a family from Metairie.
It isn't a stretch to say that he is not the most genuine person.
I think Saban is Saban.
He isn't putting on a front for anybody. And that is one reason why he has his reputation. Saban's team fears/respects/trusts him. Not because Saban gravitates towards his players nor acts in a way that makes players gravitate to him.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:36 pm to meansonny
The thing with Kelly is that he really is different than what you think when you don’t follow the team.
I’m not sure if he’s changed or I just wasn’t seeing him enough at notre dame but I’ve got a much different opinion of his personality than I did
I’m not sure if he’s changed or I just wasn’t seeing him enough at notre dame but I’ve got a much different opinion of his personality than I did
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:43 pm to Imber
Where did you find these rankings lol. Rivals? Lmao
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:45 pm to meansonny
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I've never heard Kelly lie. So I wouldn't call him dishonest. But he wears a mask when dealing with a family from Memphis that he changes when dealing with a family from Metairie. It isn't a stretch to say that he is not the most genuine person.
Hate to break it to you, but every coach worth his salt in recruiting is going to do this…yes, even Saban will tailor his message for his audience. The product is the same but the messaging will vary. Welcome to marketing 101.
That doesn’t make him dishonest nor does it make Kelly dishonest. It means they’re adaptable and will tailor how they sell their program to different recruits.
And yes, you are taking a huge step to suggest Kelly isn’t genuine based on what you’ve said here.
But as others have said in this thread: we follow Kelly much more closely than you or that Bama retard does, so we might have a better handle on Kelly than you.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:47 pm to Tigerpride18
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The thing with Kelly is that he really is different than what you think when you don’t follow the team.
I’m not sure if he’s changed or I just wasn’t seeing him enough at notre dame but I’ve got a much different opinion of his personality than I did
Lol
He changes to his audience. It is who he is.
As I said, he is likable.
I thought he was likable at Notre Dame.
I saw him pregame and post-game.
Same for the SEC media days and pregame/post-game SECCG.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:52 pm to ibldprplgld
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Hate to break it to you, but every coach worth his salt in recruiting is going to do this…yes, even Saban will tailor his message for his audience. The product is the same but the messaging will vary. Welcome to marketing 101
I didn't say anything about the message.
I'm referencing the delivery of the message. There is a distinction.
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That doesn’t make him dishonest nor does it make Kelly dishonest.
I never said Kelly was dishonest.
Saban flip flops so much. I wouldn't call it dishonest as much as I would call it changing his message to protect his changing interests.
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And yes, you are taking a huge step to suggest Kelly isn’t genuine based on what you’ve said here.
I can own that. Lots of coaches are that way. It is a personality trait more than trying to be disingenuous. I don't think Kelly can control it.
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But as others have said in this thread: we follow Kelly much more closely than you or that Bama retard does, so we might have a better handle on Kelly than you
I've said it twice.
There is such a thing as being "too close" to be objective.
And it has been displayed in this thread a ton.
I have opinions. No facts.
I've never claimed to be objective.
But I'm going to laugh my arse off every time an LSU Tiger claims to be objective.
Is Kelly likable? Yes or no?
Saban?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:56 pm to meansonny
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Is Kelly likable? Yes or no?
Saban
The correct response to this question regarding Saban is "I like winning".
Nothing about his personality.
"I like his process".
And that is the point.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:54 pm to Imber
Was it last year they didn't have a player drafted?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:37 pm to meansonny
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Saban doesn't change who he is for his audience. He is Saban.
It’s unbelievable how incredibly wrong this is. Watch Saban bullying local media and then watch him kissing arse on ESPN. Saban will do whatever it takes to help in recruiting. Do you actually think Saban wants to exchange opinions with Pat McAfee, David Pollack and Kirk Herbstreit??
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:33 pm to meansonny
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When I say that Kelly is likable and Saban isn't, draconian shuts up
I think Saban is likable.
And when I said similar personality I meant in terms of running a football program.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:37 am to Imber
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Texas's problem has never been a lack of talent on the roster.
Not sure about this, Texas has only had 16 players selected in the NFL draft in the last 6 years, ZERO selected in the first round, and only 2 in the 2nd round. Only ONE player from those draft classes has been named to the pro-bowl (Duvernay) This suggests that the talent they are getting is overrated OR/AND the ones they do get are not developed at all. But you can't say that talent is not the problem with numbers like that.
Compare to A&M a team that has recruited back and forth in the ratings (higher 4 of 6 years) with Texas for the last 7 years and competes with them for players in Texas. They have 28 players drafted in the last 6 years, 3 in the 1st round (and one overall #1). A&M has had 1 pro bowler from those drafts.
Compare that to OU, a team that rarely recruits as well as Texas (2 of the last 6 years they had higher ratings) but recruits the same area. OU has had 36 players selected in the last 6 years, including 5 1st round (2 1st overall) and 5 pro-bowlers.
There has clearly been (and may still be) a problem at Texas, but it is difficult to say that the issue has been solely doing the least with the most.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:03 am to genuineLSUtiger
Lol…not a chance…with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma. LSU as a poor small school in a shithole city won’t be able to compete. LSU cannot consistently beat mediocre A&M teams. In what universe does LSU think the addition of Texas and OU leads to any football prowess for LSU? There is no upside for LSU that competes against the likes of Bama, Georgia, A&M, Oklahoma, Texas, Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida or Tennessee. LSU will become the Baylor of the SEC. Good enough to screw up other team’s seasons, but never good enough for championships again.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:24 am to Jster15
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LSU cannot consistently beat mediocre A&M teams
Were you born in 2018?
Just gonna ignore those 7 straight lsu wins from 2011-2018?
I hope you genuinely believe the BS you just wrote, you’re in for a rude awakening.
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There is no upside for LSU that competes against the likes of Bama, Georgia, A&M, Oklahoma, Texas, Ole Miss
you might have had a chance at a rational thought until you included Ole Miss. Just because A&M can’t beat them doesn’t make them a power. LSU has had 1 losing season in the last 22. Not sure what universe you live in if you believe that will be changing anytime soon. This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 9:36 am
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