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re: Brian Kelly can't recruit
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:53 am to koreandawg
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:53 am to koreandawg
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But the separation year after year if UGA and Bama continue to recruit at spots 1, 2 or 3 and you're sitting at 5,6,7 will still put you at an overall disadvantage.
Sure, which is why Kelly is crushing the portal. Will that strategy work? Too new a thing to know.
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Well he was at Notre Dame. They had lost something like 9 straight bowls before he was hired. Or are you not old enough to remember?
The bowl games are always a funny talking point.
Notre Dame hasn't won a major bowl in 30 years, but yeah, let's blame Brian Kelly.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:09 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Sure, which is why Kelly is crushing the portal. Will that strategy work? Too new a thing to know.
The portal got a team there this year that was exposed at the end.
Just haven't seen it add to the extent that people think it does. Alabama was supposed to have their best team ever using the portal and adding it to four straight top two or three classes. Didn't work.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:11 am to koreandawg
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Alabama was supposed to have their best team ever using the portal and adding it to four straight top two or three classes. Didn't work.
But you also said
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But the separation year after year if UGA and Bama continue to recruit at spots 1, 2 or 3 and you're sitting at 5,6,7 will still put you at an overall disadvantage.
So you're saying Alabama didn't actually have much separation?
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The portal got a team there this year that was exposed at the end.
Exposed?
I would argue you simply adjusted your expectations of them.
USC was only expected to win about 8 games last year, they definitely overachieved.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 7:22 am
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:18 am to SidewalkTiger
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I mean every coach has those.
No, not every coach. He has a reputation that came from losing more than his share of those.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:18 am to EarlyCuyler3
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No, not every coach.
Yes, EarlyCryer.
Every coach.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:20 am to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame hasn't won a major bowl in 30 years, but yeah, let's blame Brian Kelly.
What the hell kind of excuse is this?
Was he not the coach? Or are you trying to say he's really not any better than the coaches that came before him?
Because that's all you're saying here.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:21 am to SidewalkTiger
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So you're saying Alabama didn't actually have much separation?
I'm saying aside from maybe Gibbs, it didn't improve them that much and fix their weaknesses.
They did lose to you in OT on a two point conversion.
Overall, they had a better year and finished fifth, just three to four spots down from their recruiting ranking. That's a low point for them over the past three years.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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25 signees 11 transfers
Gotcha. Aren't the transfers counted, though?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:23 am to EarlyCuyler3
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What the hell kind of excuse is this?
Was he not the coach?
No, EarlyCryer.
He was not the coach at Notre Dame for 30 years.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:26 am to koreandawg
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I'm saying aside from maybe Gibbs, it didn't improve them that much and fix their weaknesses.
You have no way of knowing that as we don't know what would've been like without the transfers.
A player doesn't have to be an All American to be a net positive for his team.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:26 am to koreandawg
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But the separation year after year if UGA and Bama continue to recruit at spots 1, 2 or 3 and you're sitting at 5,6,7 will still put you at an overall disadvantage.
Agree with this statement. LSU currently is nowhere near the talent of UGA/bama. LSU has Perkins as a game changer but UGA/bama have like 4 or 5 game changers on each roster. Nothing wrong with using the portal but how many top teams rely on it for a lot of their talent? not many. Going forward Kelly needs to start bringing in more top talent from high school like: Perkins, Campbell etc..and use the portal just to fill a few positions if needed. Not saying LSU cant beat a top team like UGA/bama but LSU has to play out of their minds to do it. With the lesser talent LSU has compared to those two teams causes is losses to lesser teams. UGA and bama with the talent they have on a bad day they still beat Avg Sec schools.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:32 am to SidewalkTiger
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He was not the coach at Notre Dame for 30 years.
No shite. My point exactly.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:35 am to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:36 am to FLObserver
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Agree with this statement. LSU currently is nowhere near the talent of UGA/bama. LSU has Perkins as a game changer but UGA/bama have like 4 or 5 game changers on each roster. Nothing wrong with using the portal but how many top teams rely on it for a lot of their talent? not many. Going forward Kelly needs to start bringing in more top talent from high school like: Perkins, Campbell etc..and use the portal just to fill a few positions if needed. Not saying LSU cant beat a top team like UGA/bama but LSU has to play out of their minds to do it. With the lesser talent LSU has compared to those two teams causes is losses to lesser teams. UGA and bama with the talent they have on a bad day they still beat Avg Sec schools.
Agree. And just for anyone reading thinking I was saying "Look at us". I realized that after hiring Kirby and seeing the recruiting classes improve. We were recruiting at a lower half top ten level under Richt. But you could clearly see the talent disadvantage any time we played them while Richt was at UGA once Saban had turned it around. We had a shot in 2012. Every starter on our D I think played at the NFL level. Little depth behind it though. Our QB ended up holding almost every career passing record when he was done and our RB was an NFL offensive MVP. But still it wasn't enough. And that's with a Special Teams block and return for a TD.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:38 am to meansonny
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This is about personality. It isn't cherry picked. It is who Bryan Kelly is. He is more "used car salesman" than inspirational leader. Me critiquing his personality has nothing to do with his ability to hire a staff, coach a practice, or call a game.
I had the same opinion of him while he was at ND, but it was based more in my own ignorance because I didn’t follow his pressers.
Since he’s been at LSU, I obviously follow him more closely. My assessment of him while he was at ND, and yours presently, could not be further off the mark.
He’s not an a-hole, he loves Louisiana and the welcome he received here (he’s returned that goodwill), and the players love him. Not sure what else needs to be said.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:39 am to Imber
Kelly's first two classes at LSU according to 247's composite:
average player rating: 92.18, 89.12
Last couple of classes under Orgeron: 92.89, 93.26
So far... Orgeron was better.
What about the reverse?
Kelly's last two classes at ND: 89.91, 90.74
Freeman's first two at ND: 91.82, 91.78
So far... advantage Freeman.
average player rating: 92.18, 89.12
Last couple of classes under Orgeron: 92.89, 93.26
So far... Orgeron was better.
What about the reverse?
Kelly's last two classes at ND: 89.91, 90.74
Freeman's first two at ND: 91.82, 91.78
So far... advantage Freeman.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:44 am to DawginSC
Ogre was always a good recruiter. Kids loved relating to a retarded cartoon character.
He was just always a shitty coach. Because he's an idiot. Which we told LSU fans. They said we were wrong. Now they call him an idiot.
Now we're saying BK is a chump and they're telling us we're wrong again. How many times can they get it wrong before they realize?
He was just always a shitty coach. Because he's an idiot. Which we told LSU fans. They said we were wrong. Now they call him an idiot.
Now we're saying BK is a chump and they're telling us we're wrong again. How many times can they get it wrong before they realize?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:48 am to EarlyCuyler3
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He was just always a shitty coach. Because he's an idiot. Which we told LSU fans. They said we were wrong. Now they call him an idiot.
Ed Orgeron was doing fine at LSU until he fell of the wagon after winning in 2019.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:50 am to SidewalkTiger
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Because he's an idiot.
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