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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:00 pm to RD Dawg
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Name another conference that had 2 different teams win NC's in the 90's plus another that went undefeated?Name a better conference.You can't slick
Both the ACC (Florida State & GT) and the Big 8 (Nebraska & Colorado)
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:01 pm to Oklahomey
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9. Tressel
frick no
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:02 pm to RD Dawg
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What in God's name are you talking about? I counted 6 SEC opponents and 5 were against Florida?
Stop pulling complete bullshite out your arse
Florida literally won 27 straight SEC games. That happened. That’s not pulling anything out if my arse. They lost to Auburn in the 1994 season and didn’t lose another game to an SEC opponent until losing to LSU in the 1997 season, winning the SEC CG in 1994-1996. Nick Saban’s longest streak has been 18 games from the start of 2008 until losing to South Carolina in 2010. For such a “strong” conference, how on earth did Florida manage that? Bowden was 2-2-1 against Florida in that stretch.
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Name another conference that had 3 NC's in the 90's plus another that went undefeated?Name a better conference.You can't slick
Penn State 97-26 (1 national title)
Ohio State 91-29-3
Michigan 93-26-3 (1 national title)
Wisconsin 70-44
Nebraska 108-16-1 (3 national titles)
Texas A&M 94-28-2
Colorado 108-16-1 (1 national title)
Kansas State 87-30
Texas 74-44
Florida 102-22-1 (1 national title)
Tennessee 99-22-2 (1 national title)
Alabama 83-40 (1 national title)
Auburn 72-40
Georgia 72-43
Pretty close IMO
I also said the SEC has been way better since the mid 00s than it ever was in the 1990s. That is an undeniable fact. Sorry
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Since you completely made up the 27 win stat
Nope, sure didn’t
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you made up the "blackballed"part as well
Nope. Didn’t make that up either. FSU applied year after year. Always turned down, starting in I believe 1955
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"The SEC is the only logical conference for us to get into from a geographical standpoint, but that depends on two things: increase in the size of our stadium and the ability of our football team to beat some of the SEC members." —Dr. Howard Danford, FSU Athletic Director, 11/20/1955.
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To understand the love/hate duality between Florida State and the Southeastern Conference—a lot of history needs to first be examined. The Seminoles' love affair with the SEC did not begin in the late 1980s, no. Rather, it began through a humiliating series of disappointing rejections, over the course of a 30-plus year process, in which FSU repeatedly applied for membership only to be continuously told, "no."
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Florida State would officially apply for membership its first time (of many) in 1960, citing its schedule of three SEC opponents that season—Auburn, Kentucky and Florida. FSU would lose to all three. Before the season begins that year, Florida cites its support for both Florida State and Miami to join the conference following the 1960 season. It would never happen.
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In 1962, FSU would again lobby for support from the University of Florida to expand the SEC and allow it to join. FSU would garner support from another unlikely source—Jim Whatley from the University of Georgia's coaching staff. Whatley cited that FSU joining the conference would benefit by way of its accommodating facilities, which, at the time, were well ahead of other SEC stadiums. The needed revenue would almost assuredly garner favor for FSU to join the conference, alongside the growing support of other SEC members. FSU's effort would again—fail.
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Again in 1963, it would seem with FSU playing toe-to-toe with each of its SEC opponents, (losing only to UF,) FSU would be a lock to join the SEC. Ray Graves of Florida even announced his endorsement of the Tallahassee program joining the SEC. FSU's application would again be declined. In 1964, the same. Rejection. 1965, a motion was made at the annual SEC meeting, but there was no second. 1966 and 1967, no motion was even made. Florida Head Coach Ray Graves reversed his position on sponsoring Florida State, citing that even though FSU would be a good fit, the current allotment of 10 teams (with Tulane having departed) was perfect, and just what all current SEC teams really need. In 1968, Graves and the University of Florida again "supported" FSU joining the SEC, but only if a 12th team would join, could the support be fostered and carried by more than the administration in Gainesville. The SEC voted down the proposal, due to a lack of a 12th team.
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Through the 1970s and 1980s, former FSU president Stanley Marshall began to push the issue by conducting a personal tour of SEC campuses, in an attempt to land the Seminoles a place within the conference. It seemingly was becoming more and more of an issue as Florida State began to make quite a name for itself in the 1980s, but it wasn't until 1990 that another suitor—the Atlantic Coast Conference, would come calling.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:04 pm to Drebin
quote:List is shite. No coach on that list would have beat that '99 Bingville team but the bastard pulled it out.
9. Bud Kilmer
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:16 pm to RollTide1987
Bob DeVaney got Nebraska going.
Hell of a coach.
Hell of a coach.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:36 pm to Oklahomey
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. Saban
2. Bryant
3. Switzer
4. Osborne
5. Paterno
6. McKay
7. Bowden
8. Royal
9. Tressel
10. Meyer
Great list except Tressel. Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, hell even Frank Broyles. Wait, scratch those. Gimme Bill Snyder in there and move Urban up to 3. If we want to rank great coaches.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:41 pm to lsufball19
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You realize Nebraska was already an elite program when Osborne got there and FSU was a complete nobody when Bowden took that job? Nebraska had won b2b national titles just a year before Osborne was hired. Everything FSU has become is 100% because of Bowden. He built them into a powerhouse from the ground up
That and I don't think people realize that Florida didn't really become a powerhouse until the invention of Air Conditioning. Truly. There's a reason Florida, FSU, and Miami all didn't explode until the 80s. Florida had a massive population boom starting in the 70s because it finally became hospitable to live in most of the state
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:41 pm to DabosDynasty
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Both the ACC (Florida State & GT) and the Big 8 (Nebraska & Colorado
LOL
So you're counting 2 teams that won a natty in the same year? Sorry,doesn't work that way and did either conference have 3rd team win a NC and another go undefeated?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:45 pm to RD Dawg
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I get that but are you REALLY giving FSU "credit" for playing UF and Miami? Do they really have a choice?
You get it, clearly many on here do not
To be fair both Florida and Miami were in the same state so not like Free Shoes U was going far away for those games. You could sleep in your own bed for those games.
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He dodged the SEC and admitted it.
Why is this difficult to digest?
Folks who were not around back then have no idea what it was like. Beating Miami before the 80's was like beating an in state directional school. Florida football started with Charlie Pell and really started with Galen Hall. Not like the Gators were a football powerhouse before that. Heck before the 80's the Wildcats were better at football than the Gators.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:45 pm to RD Dawg
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Sorry,doesn't work that way
Actually in the 1990s, it did work that way. Split national champions were very common
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:49 pm to Cheese Grits
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Beating Miami before the 80's was like beating an in state directional school. Florida football started with Charlie Pell and really started with Galen Hall. Not like the Gators were a football powerhouse before that. Heck before the 80's the Wildcats were better at football than the Gators.
I guess good thing this isn’t about how good FSU was before the 80s. None of the Florida schools were good before then, but all three were powerhouses within the next 10 years. So Bowden doesn’t get credit for having those two on his schedule every single year when he was dominating and both of those teams were also elite programs? Seriously? Whether not he had a choice is kind of irrelevant. The games were still played. From 1987-2000, Bowden was 11-4-1 against Florida and 7-7 against Miami. He was 85-60-1 against ranked teams in his career at FSU. So 146 of his 417 career games at FSU were against ranked teams. He was 22-8-1 in bowl games. That’s fricking strong
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:50 pm to jlovel7
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That and I don't think people realize that Florida didn't really become a powerhouse until the invention of Air Conditioning. Truly. There's a reason Florida, FSU, and Miami all didn't explode until the 80s. Florida had a massive population boom starting in the 70s because it finally became hospitable to live in most of the state
Not quite true. I was living in Florida in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Cocaine (and the massive cash it dropped in the state) was a primary reason football took off in the state at that time.
It is plenty hot and humid in the Deep South and that did not stop other SEC teams from kicking butt.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:02 pm to lsufball19
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Florida literally won 27 straight SEC games. That happened. That’s not pulling anything out if my arse
This is the exact quote
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Florida won 27 straight SEC games from 1994 through 1997.
Thought you said Florida State...my bad.
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For such a “strong” conference, how on earth did Florida manage that? Bowden was 2-2-1 against Florida in that stretch.
So are trying to tell me FSU could do the same? Sorry,not happening
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Penn State 97-26 (1 national title)
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Nebraska 108-16-1 (3 national titles)
Penn State '94? So you're claiming both Nebraska AND Penn State? AP National champions...its pretty simple.
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Pretty close IMO
Not really.
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also said the SEC has been way better since the mid 00s than it ever was in the 1990s. That is an undeniable fact. Sorry
And? Still doesn't mean it wasn't the best in 90's just because LSU sucked.
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Through the 1970s and 1980s, former FSU president Stanley Marshall began to push the issue by conducting a personal tour of SEC campuses, in an attempt to land the Seminoles a place within the conference. It seemingly was becoming more and more of an issue as Florida State began to make quite a name for itself in the 1980s, but it wasn't until 1990 that another suitor—the Atlantic Coast Conference, would come calling.
Still isn't the reason the joined the ACC and the FSU President admitted as much and like I said,the SEC wasn't interested in taking any new members over that time period...not even when GT left.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:07 pm to RD Dawg
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So are trying to tell me FSU could do the same? Sorry,not happening
Why not? They were every bit as good as Florida during that same time period
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Penn State '94? So you're claiming both Nebraska AND Penn State? AP National champions...its pretty simple.
It’s really not that simple, which is why they created the BCS and then the CFP.
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Not really.
Yes really.
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Still doesn't mean it wasn't the best in 90's just because LSU sucked.
You do realize 5/12 SEC teams had a losing record in the 90s with State right around .500 right? (You don’t, clearly) Keep moving those goal posts, though. This has nothing to do with LSU yet you brought LSU into it fir whatever reason. The SEC was not, far and away, the best conference in football then and was not even in the same universe as they are now.
Of the top 10 teams in number of wins in the 1990s, the SEC had 2 teams, the Big 10 had 3, and the Big 12 had 3 teams (Kansas St was 11th). Compare that to 2005-present, the SEC has 4 in the top 11, the Big 10 with 2, the Big 12 with 1, the PAC 10 with 1, and the ACC with 1. This idea of the SEC being so much better than everyone else was not a thing back then. Were they better, maybe, but it was marginal at best. The college football power structure was much more spread out back then.
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Still isn't the reason the joined the ACC and the FSU President admitted as much and like I said,the SEC wasn't interested in taking any new members over that time period...not even when GT left.
You don’t seem to really know much about anything that happened before 2010 so I guess I should just learn to ignore your opinions moving forward
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:58 pm to lsufball19
1995 Florida State was 10-2. One of the wins was 1-AA UCF. So the nine teams they beat had a record of 51-51. The two teams they lost to had a record of 21-5.
1996 FSU was 11-1, going 1-1 vs Florida. Take UF out and their opponents were 57-57.
1997 They went 11-1. Their regular season wins had a combined 58-55 record. It's 68-58 when you include the bowl win over Ohio St. (lost to 10-2 UF)
1998 they actually had pretty good non conference games against Big 12 Champion A&M, Miami, Florida, and a decent USC team. Opponents they beat had a record of 77-54.
1999. The other 8 ACC teams had a combined record of 45-48. With Florida, Miami, and Louisiana Tech their opponents record was 71-59.
2000. ACC opponents were 45-47. Overall the teams they beat were 70-59.
While they played really hard schedules in the 80s and early 90s, once they joined the ACC they played Florida/Miami, a couple of decent ACC teams, 5 or so garbage ACC teams, plus one additional regular season game most years. Sometimes good, sometimes average.
1996 FSU was 11-1, going 1-1 vs Florida. Take UF out and their opponents were 57-57.
1997 They went 11-1. Their regular season wins had a combined 58-55 record. It's 68-58 when you include the bowl win over Ohio St. (lost to 10-2 UF)
1998 they actually had pretty good non conference games against Big 12 Champion A&M, Miami, Florida, and a decent USC team. Opponents they beat had a record of 77-54.
1999. The other 8 ACC teams had a combined record of 45-48. With Florida, Miami, and Louisiana Tech their opponents record was 71-59.
2000. ACC opponents were 45-47. Overall the teams they beat were 70-59.
While they played really hard schedules in the 80s and early 90s, once they joined the ACC they played Florida/Miami, a couple of decent ACC teams, 5 or so garbage ACC teams, plus one additional regular season game most years. Sometimes good, sometimes average.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:43 am to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped
Soft ACC schedule sure helped.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 1:07 am to BamaDude06
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1995 Florida State was 10-2. One of the wins was 1-AA UCF. So the nine teams they beat had a record of 51-51. The two teams they lost to had a record of 21-5.
to keep with the theme, of the teams they beat, Florida's 12 wins came against opponents with a 71-61 record
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1996 FSU was 11-1, going 1-1 vs Florida. Take UF out and their opponents were 57-57.
Take out FSU and Florida's opponents were 59-58 in 1996.
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1999. The other 8 ACC teams had a combined record of 45-48. With Florida, Miami, and Louisiana Tech their opponents record was 71-59.
The record of Florida's 8 SEC opponents was 46-47, and that included 13-0 Tennessee, a team they didn't beat.
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2000. ACC opponents were 45-47. Overall the teams they beat were 70-59.
SEC opponents for Florida were 54-41 im the regular season. They played Auburn twice. They lost to State, FSU, and Miami. The teams they beat had a combined record of 58-49
So, I'm not really seeing a huge difference in strength of record between FSU and Florida over that time. Yes, the SEC was stronger than the ACC, but the SEC was, quite frankly, just not the power it has been the past 15 years. Florida and FSU both had their schedules bolstered by playing each other, Miami, and whoever they played in the bowl games. Florida had a good matchups against Tennessee and 1, maybe, 2 other SEC games plus FSU. FSU played Florida and Miami every year plus generally one good conference matchup and many times another decent OOC game.
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once they joined the ACC they played Florida/Miami, a couple of decent ACC teams, 5 or so garbage ACC teams, plus one additional regular season game most years. Sometimes good, sometimes average.
That doesn't sound exactly easy to me
Maybe to win their conference but not their overall schedule. I mean hell, look at Alabama's schedule their last full season when they won a national title. Beat 10-4 Auburn, 9-4 LSU, and 9-4 State in the regular season. The rest of their schedule in the regular season were teams that hovered at or below .500 except for Fresno State OOC, a G5 school. Playing 4-5 good teams a year isn't unusual or something that should be used as a knock against great teams. Nebraska didn't play any more than that during their dynasty, probably less honestly.This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 1:14 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:07 am to TheTexasTiger7
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Bobby Bowden a great dude and coach, but he isn’t above Tom Osborne.
Tom Osborne didn’t take a winless womans college and turn them into a dynasty. Bobby >>>>>> Osborne by a great, great distance
Posted on 8/10/21 at 2:28 am to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
It's literally being topped right now by Alabama
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