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re: Bobby Bowden started head coaching in 1959. From 1959-2020 where does he rank all time.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:21 am to Bama Bird
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:21 am to Bama Bird
Clearly what Saban has done from 2007-2020 is remarkable winning six national titles. That’s way better than what Bowden did from 1987-2000. BUT the Bowden stretch is in regards to finishing all those seasons in the final AP top five. Had the CFP been around, more than likely FSU would have been all 14 seasons.
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Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:45 am to lsufball19
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Nebraska had won b2b national titles just a year before Osborne was hired. Everything FSU has become is 100% because of Bowden. He built them into a powerhouse from the ground up
Not that I think Osborne is better, but he does get ALOT of credit for those 2 NCs. He was made the offensive coordinator right before and brought their offense out of the Stone Age.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 4:48 am to lsufball19
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Actually in the 1990s, it did work that way. Split national champions were very common
AP is the only standard that counts and been consistent through the years.
If you wanna play that game there were numerous NC's crowned to different teams in the same year by multiple services in the 50's and 60's and it wasn't quite common at all back in the 90's
Posted on 8/10/21 at 5:01 am to RD Dawg
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AP is the only standard that counts and been consistent through the years.
AP *and* Coaches.
In the 1990s, you had those two polls split on three different occasions.
1990
Colorado: 11-1-1 (AP)
Georgia Tech: 11-0-1 (Coaches)
1991
Miami: 12-0 (AP)
Washington: 12-0 (Coaches)
1997
Michigan: 12-0 (AP)
Nebraska: 13-0 (Coaches)
The split championships of 1990 and 1991 directly led to the creation of the Bowl Championship Series and its predecessors.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 5:11 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:46 am to lsufball19
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1995 Florida State was 10-2. One of the wins was 1-AA UCF. So the nine teams they beat had a record of 51-51. The two teams they lost to had a record of 21-5.
to keep with the theme, of the teams they beat, Florida's 12 wins came against opponents with a 71-61 record
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1996 FSU was 11-1, going 1-1 vs Florida. Take UF out and their opponents were 57-57.
Take out FSU and Florida's opponents were 59-58 in 1996.
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1999. The other 8 ACC teams had a combined record of 45-48. With Florida, Miami, and Louisiana Tech their opponents record was 71-59.
The record of Florida's 8 SEC opponents was 46-47, and that included 13-0 Tennessee, a team they didn't beat.
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2000. ACC opponents were 45-47. Overall the teams they beat were 70-59.
SEC opponents for Florida were 54-41 im the regular season. They played Auburn twice. They lost to State, FSU, and Miami. The teams they beat had a combined record of 58-49
So, I'm not really seeing a huge difference in strength of record between FSU and Florida over that time. Yes, the SEC was stronger than the ACC, but the SEC was, quite frankly, just not the power it has been the past 15 years. Florida and FSU both had their schedules bolstered by playing each other, Miami, and whoever they played in the bowl games. Florida had a good matchups against Tennessee and 1, maybe, 2 other SEC games plus FSU. FSU played Florida and Miami every year plus generally one good conference matchup and many times another decent OOC game.
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once they joined the ACC they played Florida/Miami, a couple of decent ACC teams, 5 or so garbage ACC teams, plus one additional regular season game most years. Sometimes good, sometimes average.
That doesn't sound exactly easy to me Maybe to win their conference but not their overall schedule. I mean hell, look at Alabama's schedule their last full season when they won a national title. Beat 10-4 Auburn, 9-4 LSU, and 9-4 State in the regular season. The rest of their schedule in the regular season were teams that hovered at or below .500 except for Fresno State OOC, a G5 school. Playing 4-5 good teams a year isn't unusual or something that should be used as a knock against great teams. Nebraska didn't play any more than that during their dynasty, probably less honestly.
pretty much everyone should shut the frick up after this post about the "soft arse ACC schedule" because as shown above, it was no different than Floridas, harder most years.
SEC wasnt even the best confernece in the 90s most years. Big Ten and Big 12 were.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:48 am to Bama Bird
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It's literally being topped right now by Alabama
Alabama has finished top 4 the last 15 years? pretty sure that is false.
but Ill give you that the bama streak is prolyl better overall, but its not the same kind of streak. and you havent been playing 2 top 10 teams out of conference every year.
You havent traveled OOC to play a top 10 team in a long time.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:50 am to RD Dawg
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RD Dawg
how young are you?
the coaches poll was just as prestigious as the AP poll, in fact for much of the 90s more so. Stop acting like split NCs were not a thing.
for most of the 90s there were two good teams in the sec, UF & UT. Bama was inconsistent as hell as was auburn. the sec west sucked dick honestly.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:59 am to Naked Bootleg
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All true.
If you want to put Osborne on the list, you should have Switzer ahead of him. Switzer owned Osborne.
And if you want to put Bowden high up on the list for building a program out of nothing, Bill Snyder should be right behind him. No NC's but built a strong program and imagine recruiting to Manhattan, KS.
Switzer owned Osborne but Osborne's most dominant years were post-Switzer.
Some OU fans would argue that that is only because Switzer was no longer there but either way those years happened.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:04 am to SmackoverHawg
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Great list except Tressel. Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, hell even Frank Broyles. Wait, scratch those. Gimme Bill Snyder in there and move Urban up to 3. If we want to rank great coaches
yea such a great list, yet bowden was 6-2 against osborne....and he had to build the program himself. He is way better than osborne, didnt use juicing and partial qualifiers to get the program to where he wanted it.
switzer can claim more NCs but he was cheating his arse off at the time. in the 80s he went 84-22-2 vs Bowdens 77-27. Bowden had harder schedule and wasnt cheating.
over the next 10 years after switzer left, bowder went 119-15-1. Bowden was 21-9-1 in bowls vs 8-5 for switzer. Back then bowls held a ton of weight as OOC match ups.
Bowder>switzer
paterno is laughable to have above bobby.
McKay and Meyer...fine. Tressel was great, especially when you factor in youngstown.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:06 am to Naked Bootleg
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Bowden was a great coach. But he went 0-3 vs. Barry Switzer, and 0-1 against Bob Stoops. Jimbo Fisher went 0-2 versus Stoops, with some pretty bad OU defenses at the time. Held to 17 & 13 points in both losses, what an offensive genius Jimbo is.
In all honesty, FSU kinda seems like they suck.
Coaches/schools are not measured only against one team. If that were the case USC fans would be able to say we suck.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:08 am to HuskerdownSouth
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You say Osborne didn’t have model citizens, but Switzer did? Look into how many academic all Americans Osborne coached. They had some juiced guys, but testing caught up before his teams really took off. The partial qualifier deal stopping really hurt their recruiting, but there are likely less qualified guys that got into any other college, even today.
Everyone had juiced players in the '70s.
I had a neighbor who played at Maryland and then was a coach there. He used to sell roids to the players.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:09 am to lsu777
Ranking is just a weird way to look at it imo. All that matters is wins, losses and championships
Nick Saban (2008-2020)
Record: 163-17 (.905)
6 National Championships
7 SEC Championships
Bobby Bowden (1987-2000)
Record: 152-19-1 (.884)
2 National Championships
9 ACC Championships
I'm not trying to deride Bobby Bowden but to call FSU the 'best run' just isn't true.
Neutral site games have killed this for us. I hate them, but the last top 10 OOC opponent (regular season) was FSU in 2017, but was neutral site.
Nick Saban (2008-2020)
Record: 163-17 (.905)
6 National Championships
7 SEC Championships
Bobby Bowden (1987-2000)
Record: 152-19-1 (.884)
2 National Championships
9 ACC Championships
I'm not trying to deride Bobby Bowden but to call FSU the 'best run' just isn't true.
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You havent traveled OOC to play a top 10 team in a long time.
Neutral site games have killed this for us. I hate them, but the last top 10 OOC opponent (regular season) was FSU in 2017, but was neutral site.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:16 am to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
winning pct 88% in a weak ACC
2 national titles
Saban 2008-2020
winning pct 90% in SEC west
6 national titles
1 less year but will make that up this season
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:25 am to Drebin
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He's way up there. My top ten:
1. Leach
2. Saban
3. Bryant
4. Bobby Bowden
5. Terry Bowden
6. Tommy Bowden
7. Dan Mullen (MSU years)
8. Jackie Sherrill
9. Bud Kilmer
10. Red Beaulieu
Anyone who is going to include Leach (which I assume is tongue-in-cheek) would have to also include Bill Snyder.
As bad as FSU was when Bowden took over, KSU was several orders of magnitude worse.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:48 am to Bama Bird
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Ranking is just a weird way to look at it imo. All that matters is wins, losses and championships
when people talk the 15 year run for FSU they are talking the top 4 finshes.
I said I agree what Saban has done and is doing is better but its not the same.
and yea FSU was going OOC every year to play Miami and UF. Also took on ND, nebraska, pitt, ohio state, WV, LSU, auburn, south carolina, michigan, clemson, A&M all at the away stadium during the 80s and 90s when those teams were all top 10 at the time.
FSU wasnt scared of anyone and was independent during the 80s and would play whomever wherever.
what saban is doing is more impressive no doubt and Saban is the GOAT, but Bowdens run was also while having 2 other top 10 powers in the state.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:50 am to TheTexasTiger7
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Bobby Bowden a great dude and coach, but he isn’t above Tom Osborne.
FSU sure beat Nebraska enough to qualify. Ask Osborne about that 2 point attempt? UGH!!
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:51 am to bamameister
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FSU sure beat Nebraska enough to qualify. Ask Osborne about that 2 point attempt? UGH!!
yea its funny, not above osborne...the guy he was 6-2 against....GTFO!!!
Posted on 8/10/21 at 9:51 am to lsu777
Bowden built his legacy on soft scheduling and cheating. He also had the best DC in college football for many years who just wasn't head coaching material or he would have left.
Bowden/FSU filled their schedule with sub-500 teams and then played a big name school like Michigan and Nebraska. Florida wasn't any good. Miami wasn't any good. When Miami turned the corner and Florida turned the corner, he ducked the SEC and joined the ACC expressly so he could have more wins.
The best of all time takes on the best and is not afraid of playing the best. That is 180 degrees away from Bowden.
Cheating:
When Sports Illustrated does its first ever probe of a program and calls it the most scandalous cheating program in college football history except for Miami, but somehow gets away with it, you see that Bobby is well-loved as a facade act, but the real deal is shady. Nobody cares that he was a cheater. Nobody. That is because he was "well-liked".
We all have short memories and we feel good and hate bad those the media has conditioned us to love or hate. It just is what it is. Bowden is a scumbag but the media and his good ol boy persona has everyone loving him.
Bowden/FSU filled their schedule with sub-500 teams and then played a big name school like Michigan and Nebraska. Florida wasn't any good. Miami wasn't any good. When Miami turned the corner and Florida turned the corner, he ducked the SEC and joined the ACC expressly so he could have more wins.
The best of all time takes on the best and is not afraid of playing the best. That is 180 degrees away from Bowden.
Cheating:
When Sports Illustrated does its first ever probe of a program and calls it the most scandalous cheating program in college football history except for Miami, but somehow gets away with it, you see that Bobby is well-loved as a facade act, but the real deal is shady. Nobody cares that he was a cheater. Nobody. That is because he was "well-liked".
We all have short memories and we feel good and hate bad those the media has conditioned us to love or hate. It just is what it is. Bowden is a scumbag but the media and his good ol boy persona has everyone loving him.
This post was edited on 8/10/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:08 am to TheTexasTiger7
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Tom Osborne has a much better winning percentage, more national championships, and more conference championships in a lesser time frame.
This is just silly. Tom Osborne is one of the greatest coaches in Nebraska history. Bobby Bowden IS Florida State football. He built FSU essentially from scratch into a perineal powerhouse in the running for the National championship every year for decades. Hell FSU was a girls school less than 30 years prior to his arrival. They were the homecoming opponent on other teams schedule. It’s hard to imagine anyone in history doing more for a single sports program than Bobby Bowden did for FSU.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 10:17 am to TailbackU
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Tom Osborne is one of the greatest coaches in Nebraska history.
Tom Osborne is unquestionably the greatest coach in Nebraska history. He was the offensive coordinator under Bob Devaney when the Cornhuskers won their first two national championships in '70 and '71.
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