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Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:01 pm to dchog
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It doesn't have to be since we historically have recruited Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi,Tennessee, Missouri and NORTH Louisiana decades prior.
And historically have not been a dominant program. Geography matters man. It’s the truth. I’ve seen Arkansas’ facilities and they are top notch. If I were a recruit i would certainly listen to what they have to say but let’s be honest. Not all HS kids are into NWA. They’d rather be closer to major metro cities like Atlanta Nola and Houston.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:07 pm to OmegaMan
Pittman is going to dominate the SEC West for years. Yes Sir!
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:09 pm to turnpiketiger
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And historically have not been a dominant program.
Up until recently we were top 25 in all-time winning percentage.
Really just depends who the coach is. Schools like Ole Miss, MSU, South Carolina, Oklahoma State and others on that level have had runs where they’ve won 10-11 games in the last decade when they found the right coach. That can be done here too. I don’t expect it every year but we have won the SEC West three times so it’s proven it can happen here, just a shame we never got to see if Petrino could have continued it after 2011.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 1:29 pm to gohogs141
Yeah I can see that. There’s no reason Arkansas shouldn’t be a bowl game regular team with an occasional NY6 appearance. It makes no sense that Mississippi State can achieve this but Arkansas can’t. Starkville? Come on.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 2:19 pm to OmegaMan
Lol. A little out of season humor. Nice one.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 2:37 pm to turnpiketiger
Most programs were and are not historically dominant. I can only name a handful that are.
Geography matters but it is also overblown. At one time back in the 60s and before, programs had no limits on how many recruits that they can sign. Which means that schools in large states could cherry pick the best players. College football at this time didn't have that many good teams because they were left with the scraps. That changed sometime in the 70s when the NCAA decided to have limits on scholarships. That made college football more competitive for schools that were building up. But if Geography mattered 100% then how did Nebraska become so successful? How could they? They have a small recruiting base as the so called folks say. No way they should have won those national titles.
Darrel Royal would often convince recruits that he didn't want to go to schools outside of the state of Texas like Arkansas for example. This helps build a monopoly in a large state and Texas wasn't the only school. But as I was saying you would have a point if this was still the practice. But college football has evolved and rule changes like that help small states like Arkansas have a fighting chance.
We live in country with over 300 million citizens. The goal isn't to go look just for NFL potential but good players that may not be NFL talent but are good college players nothing less. The problem is that no single school can cherry pick all the best recruits anymore and in this conference we still have to only sign 25 unless some players transferred, leaving spots open.
These star ratings are all just to make money. In the past it didn't exist and if you wanted to know a bout a recruit that was interested in your school. You had to read it in the paper, no stars just how many offers they had. These sites and magazines follow the coaches and not the other way around. You have one group that has no clue and you have the other group that does it for a living. So what is the difference between a 3 star RB at 6-0 210 vs. A 5 star RB that is 6-0 213? The 3 star runs a 4.6 and the 5 star runs a 4.58. No difference to me but maybe the offer list is more telling. Or just to make a lot of money, make it where the prestige has something to do with the schools that offered and not just the talent.
You would be surprised at how many recruits were shocked when they got here. They talked like it wasn't what they expected. The biggest reason the better recruits don't visit here is because Arkansas and winning isn't in the conscience or minds of big time players. Players will visit where the winners are are at and Arkansas isn't a winner. The rest are excuses, build a winner and they will come.
Geography matters but it is also overblown. At one time back in the 60s and before, programs had no limits on how many recruits that they can sign. Which means that schools in large states could cherry pick the best players. College football at this time didn't have that many good teams because they were left with the scraps. That changed sometime in the 70s when the NCAA decided to have limits on scholarships. That made college football more competitive for schools that were building up. But if Geography mattered 100% then how did Nebraska become so successful? How could they? They have a small recruiting base as the so called folks say. No way they should have won those national titles.
Darrel Royal would often convince recruits that he didn't want to go to schools outside of the state of Texas like Arkansas for example. This helps build a monopoly in a large state and Texas wasn't the only school. But as I was saying you would have a point if this was still the practice. But college football has evolved and rule changes like that help small states like Arkansas have a fighting chance.
We live in country with over 300 million citizens. The goal isn't to go look just for NFL potential but good players that may not be NFL talent but are good college players nothing less. The problem is that no single school can cherry pick all the best recruits anymore and in this conference we still have to only sign 25 unless some players transferred, leaving spots open.
These star ratings are all just to make money. In the past it didn't exist and if you wanted to know a bout a recruit that was interested in your school. You had to read it in the paper, no stars just how many offers they had. These sites and magazines follow the coaches and not the other way around. You have one group that has no clue and you have the other group that does it for a living. So what is the difference between a 3 star RB at 6-0 210 vs. A 5 star RB that is 6-0 213? The 3 star runs a 4.6 and the 5 star runs a 4.58. No difference to me but maybe the offer list is more telling. Or just to make a lot of money, make it where the prestige has something to do with the schools that offered and not just the talent.
You would be surprised at how many recruits were shocked when they got here. They talked like it wasn't what they expected. The biggest reason the better recruits don't visit here is because Arkansas and winning isn't in the conscience or minds of big time players. Players will visit where the winners are are at and Arkansas isn't a winner. The rest are excuses, build a winner and they will come.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 3:10 pm to dchog
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The rest are excuses, build a winner and they will come.
Well said.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 5:37 pm to dchog
Yeah just look at Oregon. I don’t think anyone considers them a football hotbed for recruits but ever since Chip Kelley they seem to recruit anywhere from 5-15 every year. And that’s with another P5 team in the state.
Clemson is another one that was a very comparable program to Arkansas before Dabo and now they’re recruiting at a level they never have before.
Clemson is another one that was a very comparable program to Arkansas before Dabo and now they’re recruiting at a level they never have before.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:17 pm to gohogs141
Oregon is blessed from Nike. If they didn't have that, they would be nothing.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:21 pm to momentoftruth87
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I've always said Clemson sucks, so you're not far off. Plz stop saying that though and go to an ACC board.
perhaps Arky sidewalks fans should go post on another board using ur logic homey
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:23 pm to gohogs141
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Clemson is another one that was a very comparable program to Arkansas before Dabo and now they’re recruiting at a level they never have before.
any P5 college in the south has a shot at winning titles.
Even UofSC.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:24 pm to gohogs141
They Border California. So that is where they get a lot of players from. Oregon State isn't really much of a threat to them.
I'm doing some research on Arkansas, Clemson and Oregon. I would like to do some comparisons on recruiting and where they get them from and how many.
I'm doing some research on Arkansas, Clemson and Oregon. I would like to do some comparisons on recruiting and where they get them from and how many.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:25 pm to Tillman
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perhaps Arky sidewalks fans should go post on another board using ur logic homey
Ha! eat me
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:25 pm to dchog
Eugene is pretty far from the populated areas of California. States are a lot bigger out west.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:25 pm to dchog
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Oklahoma City and Tulsa are closer to Fayetteville than many places in Arkansas.
What is good to see at those two places?
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:26 pm to TrueLefty
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What is good to see at those two places?
Your mom
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:40 pm to momentoftruth87
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Oregon is blessed from Nike. If they didn't have that, they would be nothing.
But Arkansas have Walmart and Jones and Arkansas have been bad for a while now!
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:13 pm to Tillman
From 2009 to 2020 Oregon has signed 130 recruits from California. Only 32 from Oregon during the same period. Distance isn't hurting them.
Posted on 6/17/20 at 11:50 pm to turnpiketiger
quote:You speak as if we haven't. We were literally in a BCS Bowl within the decade then turned around and won 11 games and finished top 5 in the final AP the year after. Because of our recent string of bad hires this board acts like Arkansas has been buried below the Mississippi schools the last 20 years and that's just not the case.
It makes no sense that Mississippi State can achieve this but Arkansas can’t.
This post was edited on 6/17/20 at 11:54 pm
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