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Les Miles VS. Nick Saban
Posted on 8/27/09 at 1:28 am
Posted on 8/27/09 at 1:28 am
Not trying to flame but why do so many people think Nick Saban is so much better coach than Les Miles. When you look at the stats they are very simular. Les Miles has averaged about 8 and a half wins a season throughout his coaching career, Nick Saban's record is basically the same. Nick Saban helped fix a broken Lsu program, and Les Miles did the same at Oklahoma State. Les Miles has a better bowl record over his career at 5-2, Nick Saban's is 4-6. Each has won a national title, but Les Miles didnt have to share his with USC. Each has won a SEC title, Nick Saban has 2 to Les's 1. This is not a flame, just want to know why so many people think of Les as a mediocore coach with Saban's great talent.
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Posted on 8/27/09 at 1:31 am to mprtiger
not this shite again.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 1:50 am to cajunbama
The perception is because saban is a lot more handson with his football team.
Maybe that will stop this from 15 pages.
Maybe that will stop this from 15 pages.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 2:15 am to mprtiger
If I were an LSU fan I'd be more proud of the 2003 NC than the 2007 NC. I think most people believe this because Les Miles walked into a truckload of talent at LSU that virtually any coach in the country could have won with. Also, his replacement at Okie State has done a lot more than he ever did. There's also the fact that Les Miles is kind of an oddball, and he's made some pretty weird/stupid calls in games.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 3:32 am to RMFTBama
If I were an LSU fan I'd be more proud of the 2003 NC than the 2007 NC.
So I should be more proud about a co-championship than outright one?
Les Miles walked into a truckload of talent at LSU that virtually any coach in the country could have won with.
So because he had a lot of talent he didnt have to coach his players at all?
Also, his replacement at Okie State has done a lot more than he ever did.
I don't know if you followed OSU before Les got there but it was basically a shithole. Les Miles turned that shithole into a somewhat respectable program. He deserves some of the credit for there recent success just like Nick Saban deserves some of the credit for LSU's success.
So I should be more proud about a co-championship than outright one?
Les Miles walked into a truckload of talent at LSU that virtually any coach in the country could have won with.
So because he had a lot of talent he didnt have to coach his players at all?
Also, his replacement at Okie State has done a lot more than he ever did.
I don't know if you followed OSU before Les got there but it was basically a shithole. Les Miles turned that shithole into a somewhat respectable program. He deserves some of the credit for there recent success just like Nick Saban deserves some of the credit for LSU's success.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 6:39 am to RMFTBama
Wow... I currently count you at 21 posts and you are already in the top 10% of gumptards on this board. You're bound to break all sorts of records before your rookie season is over.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 6:43 am to RMFTBama
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he's made some pretty weird/stupid calls in games.
Define this? This just seems to be a very broad open ended statement that has nothing to back it up.
ETA: Stop listening to the TV announcers and think for your self asshat.
This post was edited on 8/27/09 at 6:56 am
Posted on 8/27/09 at 6:53 am to mprtiger
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mprtiger
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So I should be more proud about a co-championship than outright one?
First LSU fan I've ever heard of that doesn't think there is only one national champion that year. Even I think USC's '03 "NC" is BS.
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When you look at the stats they are very simular.
My wife says this word like that and good lord I can't stand it. There is not 'u' in the word similar. Ok, got my grammar correction out of the way.
I will not get into this epic debate of Miles v. Saban. There's really no good argument right now to convince anyone that Saban is a better coach.
This post was edited on 8/27/09 at 7:03 am
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:12 am to cajunbama
Why not this shite again? If one doesn't like the thread, then just to take part.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:15 am to Crimsonpanther13
I believe Nick Saban can probably coach circles around Les when it comes to x's and o's. However, whan it comes to be the CEO of a college football program, Les surrounds himself with better talent. Les has better cood. than Saban. Although his plan of co-cood. didn't work last yr, he went out and got argueably the best avail. D cood. and DB coach in the sec. So I guess it depends on what your looking for. If you want a micro manager, go w/ Saban. If you want a figure head that surrounds himself w/ good coaches, go w/ Miles.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:19 am to guttata
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If you want a micro manager, go w/ Saban.
I'm pretty sure he gives McElwain free reign to run the offense. Of course McElwain runs the kind of offense that CNS likes.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:20 am to RMFTBama
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If I were an LSU fan
Well,we're glad you're not. You sound like a moron. What a stupid post. I guess you have named your right hand Nick.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:29 am to mprtiger
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but Les Miles didnt have to share his with USC
neither did nick
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:33 am to TheDoc
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neither did nick
Yeah I'm pretty sure USC doesn't have one of these for the '03 season.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:39 am to I-59 Tiger
The difference between Saban and Miles is this.
Saban motivates as a dictator in a negative way. It's never his fault when his team loses, it's the teams fault or the players fault. If they follow Saban's process then they will never lose.
Miles is more of a positive motivator. He brings a lot of positive team building skills he learned in Michigan and since. And he still has the same intensity level as Saban, just in a more positive way.
Players and coaches choose to work/play for Saban knowing he is an arse but realize they can improve and maybe make it to the next level because of the success he has had.
Players and coaches choose to work/play for Miles because they can achieve the same goals but not have to work for an arse.
They both get results and are top recruiters. I consider Miles an upgrade because because we get slightly better results then Saban without all the drama of demeaning others when Saban does not get his way.
Saban motivates as a dictator in a negative way. It's never his fault when his team loses, it's the teams fault or the players fault. If they follow Saban's process then they will never lose.
Miles is more of a positive motivator. He brings a lot of positive team building skills he learned in Michigan and since. And he still has the same intensity level as Saban, just in a more positive way.
Players and coaches choose to work/play for Saban knowing he is an arse but realize they can improve and maybe make it to the next level because of the success he has had.
Players and coaches choose to work/play for Miles because they can achieve the same goals but not have to work for an arse.
They both get results and are top recruiters. I consider Miles an upgrade because because we get slightly better results then Saban without all the drama of demeaning others when Saban does not get his way.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:46 am to mprtiger
This is so stupid.
Of course LSU fans are going to prefer Miles and build an argument for him to be just as good as Saban. But if Miles loses 3 or 4 games this year, he will have the entire LSU fan base ready for change.
Of course LSU fans are going to prefer Miles and build an argument for him to be just as good as Saban. But if Miles loses 3 or 4 games this year, he will have the entire LSU fan base ready for change.
This post was edited on 8/27/09 at 7:55 am
Posted on 8/27/09 at 7:53 am to Crimsonpanther13
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My wife says this word like that and good lord I can't stand it. There is not 'u' in the word similar. Ok, got my grammar correction out of the way.
I will not get into this epic debate of Miles v. Saban. There's really no good argument right now to convince anyone that Saban is a better coach.
The piccalo players have to argue over something.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 8:02 am to mprtiger
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Not trying to flame but why do so many people think Nick Saban is so much better coach than Les Miles
Persona has a lot to do with it. From a PR standpoint, Saban > Miles.
Miles and his goofy pressers, his hat, "Ar-kansas", "have a great day", etc... shite like that makes him look a jackass, even tho he isn't in actuality. Saban is Napoleon and dominates the press every time he steps in front of a camera.
The public opinion is altered as a result.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 8:05 am to Bert Lyons 716
Les
70–31
Nick
105–50–1
Les is better, percentage wise
70–31
Nick
105–50–1
Les is better, percentage wise
Posted on 8/27/09 at 8:07 am to Billy Mays
I wonder how many times a player has said frick you to Saban under their breath.
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