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re: Official 2019 Ole Miss Football Thread: 4-7 (2-5) - L 57-38 - NEXT UP: MS State

Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:02 pm to
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If Matt Luke isn't our head coach, I agree


Holy shite I dragged a glimmer of hope out of HJJ!! Yes!!!

Henry I’m curious to get your take on this; do you think since next year is the 4th and final year of Luke’s contract (and therefore could be make or break for earning an extension) that he’ll pull out all the stops, get it together and stitch together a respectable season? Trust me, I’m as irritated as the next OM fan but there are a lot of things about this team that one could argue they’re on the brink of a breakout year. Or that I’m delusional
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:09 pm to
The one thing I've complimented Luke on this year is the team hasn't quit. If these freshmen continue to develop and lead like they have been while we recruit at a decent level, we could pull out 6-7 wins next year with an "upset" over an Auburn or Florida.

My biggest concern is if this is more Luke's coaching ability improving or his assistants. I tend to think it's the latter
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:10 pm to
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Geez, so doom and gloom. We just put up over 600 yards of offense on the #1 team in the country with a true freshman at quarterback. That’s a pretty good reason to be optimistic about the future.

I guess? This offense is just the exact opposite of the offense we had for years under Freeze. Now we can run the ball and rely on big rushing plays to score instead of relying on big passing plays. Refusing to throw the ball (bc we can't) instead of refusing to run the ball. It's maddening.
Posted by Insideradvantage
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:37 pm to
We didn't get beat soundly last night because of our offense.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 2:02 pm to
Throw a parade.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:17 pm to
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I guess? This offense is just the exact opposite of the offense we had for years under Freeze. Now we can run the ball and rely on big rushing plays to score instead of relying on big passing plays. Refusing to throw the ball (bc we can't) instead of refusing to run the ball. It's maddening.


Agreed, it’s frustrating. I guess I’m just impressed that we lead the league in rushing.

But the two teams that lead the league in passing are Bama and LSU, so yeah point taken.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10579 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:19 pm to
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since next year is the 4th and final year of Luke’s contract


You wish.

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When Ole Miss athletics director Ross Bjork left Oxford for Texas A&M earlier this year, he left behind one of the most coach-friendly contracts in college football.Luke, a Mississippi native and former Ole Miss offensive lineman (and longtime assistant coach), received a starting salary of $3 million for 2018, which increases by $100,000 in each of the four years:

2018: $3 million
2019: $3.1 million
2020: $3.2 million
2021: $3.3 million


source

If we don't have the stones to fire him after the eggbowl, we better do it at the end (or middle) of 2020. I say we do it when we open 1-4 next year.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:21 pm to
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Throw a parade.


We don’t need moral victories, but he’s not wrong. We had over 600 yards of offense and considering our time of possession we did a good job of controlling the ball.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 3:25 pm to
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You wish.


God damn it. I keep forgetting it goes through 2021.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted by DesotoRebel
Member since Nov 2012
452 posts
Posted on 11/17/19 at 8:32 pm to
He should have never made over 3 a year.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10579 posts
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:48 am to
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one of the most coach-friendly contracts in college football


Yep. Name one school who would have outbid us for Luke.
Posted by 256Rebel
Member since Dec 2017
402 posts
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:06 am to
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Yep. Name one school who would have outbid us for Luke.


If Luke "loves Ole Miss" as much as is claimed, he should have been happy with 1 - 1.5 million per year. Even that would have been overpaying for a failed offensive line coach.
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10745 posts
Posted on 11/18/19 at 2:42 pm to
Passing game has a lot of issues - Plumlee’s arm/Corral’s accuracy and mechanics, both QBs needing to develop pocket presence and learning to read defenses, young WRs who can’t get any separation, and an OL that is not good at pass protection.

Last one is a talent issue but we have some young OL talent in Broeker and Cunningham that will come along, the rest will come with time.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/18/19 at 7:37 pm to
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He should have never made over 1 a year.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13506 posts
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:55 pm to
If Dak and Tebow could become competent passers after seeing where they started, Plumlee can too. ***


*** they had really good coaching


ETA: if Plumlee could learn to hit that option pass Kelly used to hit sprinting out to the sideline, it would be nearly impossible to defend. If you are a CB or Safety and you see him sprinting to the edge but you have a receiver trying to get behind you, you are in a lose lose.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted by DesotoRebel
Member since Nov 2012
452 posts
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:37 pm to
Problem is Johnny boy is like 5'11 and can't see over the line. They will continue to move him out of the pocket to see and limiting him throwing from the pocket.

His arm stinks in strength and accuracy. I just don't see it improving. He could be just as effective in the slot taking handoffs and shooting up the middle while Ashford is the QB. That leaves Ealy in there too as an option that has to be covered. 3 Great play makers in the game at once.

This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 11:38 pm
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13506 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 8:55 pm to
I disagree. He’s not Chad Kelly but he can throw well enough with some coaching and practice. The dude didn’t enroll in spring or summer and he’s starting in the SEC as a true freshman and we are shocked he’s not lighting the world on fire through the air. He’s not going to hit 50 yard bombs but he doesn’t need to with how tight the DBs and safety have to play him on the LoS. There are plenty of intermediate routes, screens and read option throws that he can learn to hit with practice.
Posted by shamrock
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
3620 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 1:38 pm to
Agree completely, I find it hard to believe he doesn’t have the athletic ability to throw a slant, screen, back dump off and 10 yard out, consistently..if not, put him in the slot or at TB and turn him into Christian McCaffrey..RR has got to be flexible enough to do this or he has to go as this kid is a rare breed
Posted by RebelRye
Metairie, LA
Member since Nov 2018
1092 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:39 am to
It really makes you wonder what his stats and playing style was like in high school. I mean he had to have had the ability to throw the ball or they wouldn't have recruited him as a QB right?
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10745 posts
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:53 am to
Completed 64% of his passes in HS for 2834 yards, 33 TDs and 3 ints his senior year. Ran for 1444 yards and 19 TDs.

He's a freshman. He will improve.
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