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InGAButLoveBama
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
ALSO, Northern capitalists preferred wage slavery to chattel slavery, cause it cost less! Script pay was another virtual slavery employed by the North during and after the war. The South was not uniquely evil.


OGtigerfan87
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
People in this thread are confusing wanting to look at the bigger picture with “lost cause” excuse makers. Slavery absolutely was the south’s reason for seceding and going to war but it really wasn’t the north’s. If the south would have agreed to stay in the union but it meant slavery would exist for another 100 years Lincoln would have jumped all over it. For the north it was primarily about preserving the Union. So it’s not as simple as saying it was 100% slavery or you are a lost cause loser. The pendulum has moved to far to the other side on that. At first lost cause southerners tried to revise history but now it’s the opposite with people wanting to way over simply the political landscape
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dchog
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
The South frowned upon the draft and the North had draft riots in New York City.


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Texas Weazel
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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States rights.

Let's be a bit more specific; the state right to keep slaves.

So to answer OP's question; Yes. It was over slavery.


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Harry Morgan
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
Not over Macho Grande.


Herman Frisco
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
The South won the battle at Fort Sumter. They the started a march on Washington. They had the troops to take the city. Then march on NewYork.
Had the General’s not stoped and thought the north would surrender they would have won the war.
The biggest mistake of the war.
Hitler also made a mistake that cost him the war. He thought he could win a two front war and he found out he couldn’t.
History is littered with what ifs.


Bigbens42
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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The South won the battle at Fort Sumter. They the started a march on Washington. They had the troops to take the city. Then march on NewYork.
Had the General’s not stoped and thought the north would surrender they would have won the war.
The biggest mistake of the war.
Hitler also made a mistake that cost him the war. He thought he could win a two front war and he found out he couldn’t.
History is littered with what ifs.


The hypothetical is hard to jive when you realize just how much stronger the Union was, how many bodies and how many machines of war they could bring to bear.

Once a commander was put in charge that realized the advantage (Grant), it was only a matter of time. The only real kicker is that the war lasted as long as it did.


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PeeJayScammedGT
Georgia Tech Fan
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Member since Oct 2019
1696 posts

re: Was the civil war over slavery?
Whassup dude

Haven't seen you and your crime Stats mention anything about the Cop killed in Tulsa OK this week?

Maybe when he was walking up to the perp's Car, maybe he allowed your crime Stats to cloud his thinking, based on your crime stats maybe he relaxed for a split second and then a scuffle ensued

I'm so surprised, that YOU - MR CRIME STATS didn't mention this case:

Why No Mention of this Case MR CRIME STATS?
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Obtuse1
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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It was slightly less than 1 in 3 people being slave owners. Clearly the rich/powerful dominated that 32%. Who knew 160 years ago the rich and powerful used to wealth and money to run amok. There's a reason the south had a draft long before the north, because the other 68% had reason to fight for something they didn't own.


The percentages (near 50% in MS and SC) don't fully make the argument you are laying out. There was certainly an aspirational component where many of those non-slaveholding families would have indeed bought slaves if they had the money. For a large percentage of those not owning slaves it was not conviction but simply money that kept them from being slave owners. The second part is many Southern non-slaveholding farmers at the time actually rented slaves primarily during planting and harvesting. Usually, the payment to the slave owner was a share of their crops.

There is a healthy part of the 68% that either aspired to own slaves and/or actually used them despite not owning them.


Baldy
Member since May 2020
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
I've come to believe it was economic. Slavery just happened to be the driver of the labor intensive Southern economy.


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madddoggydawg
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
This thread been on here since the Civil War.


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AuSteeler
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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While Lincoln was anti-slavery, he was not an abolitionist. He made it clear that without southern secession, he had no plans to interfere with slavery in the south:

"I have said a hundred times, and I have now no inclination to take it back, that I believe there is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all." - Honest Abe


You are so off base.

Lincoln was an abolitionist, even in his early days of a lawyer in Illinois...

July 10, 1858: Speech at Chicago, Illinois

In this speech at Chicago, Lincoln reiterated his hatred of slavery and also his belief that it should not be touched where it then existed.

"I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist".


The only reason he AT FIRST did not want to interfere with slavery in the South was bc he didn't want the nation to go to war.

His intent was to outlaw slavery to those territories he controlled and those wishing to bc states. HE felt by doing this that slavery would die out in the south, and he wouldn't have to have Americans fighting Americans in a civil war.

He found out that the South was not going to give up their slaves and the rest is History.

To state in your post these variations are untruths...and the reason so many in the South won't admit that slavery WAS the major issue...bc without slavery southerners would lose their cheapest labor and affect their wealth.


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MoarKilometers
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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The percentages (near 50% in MS and SC) don't fully make the argument you are laying out.

6 of the 11 states had rates of half this. First 5 to secede were all above 30% though.
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There is a healthy part of the 68% that either aspired to own slaves and/or actually used them despite not owning them.

True... but how ww2 enlistees wanted a Ferrari, but came back from war vs italy without one? I'm not entirely convinced those drafted were in fact pro civil war. Just rich folks making decisions for them. I'm sure some portion of that 68% were willing to kill or be killed for it, but nothing leads me to believe it was a majority opine held them.


pvilleguru
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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but how ww2 enlistees wanted a Ferrari, but came back from war vs italy without one?
Was anyone in WW2 fighting to keep Ferraris?


NYCAuburn
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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Was anyone in WW2 fighting to keep Ferraris?


no, because there werent any


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transcend
LSU Fan
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Member since Aug 2013
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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
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Go read the articles of secession for each of the states and see how many times slave, slavery or some form of that word is used.

I wish that those that want to claim state's rights would just stand up and own it. State your a racist and proud of it and if you could, you'd bring slavery back today. I'd respect you more for not trying to sugar coat everything to make yourself feel better.


this x 1000


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