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re: Was the civil war over slavery?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:43 am to The Sultan of Swine
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:43 am to The Sultan of Swine
The civil war was about states rights. The common states rights issue at the time was, of course, slavery. So yes and no. The confederates were not wrong about their love and belief in states rights but slavery is wrong
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:57 pm to reedus23
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Jesus Christ. Here goes the racists trying to defend their indefensible position.
Yes it was about slavery. I didn't even read your post because it was too long...so full disclosure. But been down this path before. Go read the articles of secession for each of the states and see how many times slave, slavery or some form of that word is used.
I wish that those that want to claim state's rights would just stand up and own it. State your a racist and proud of it and if you could, you'd bring slavery back today. I'd respect you more for not trying to sugar coat everything to make yourself feel better.
I was brought up being told it was all about the state's rights and not to let anyone tell you differently. I believed this until I took an interest in history and did my own research in high school...As soon as I read the Articles of Succession, I realized how wrong I was... Slavery was the driving force of succession which led to the war. Go look them up and read for yourself...don't just go by what your dads, dad, dad told him because it is simply untrue.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:09 pm to ChapelHillSooner
quote:Fort Sumter was owned by the federal government. Fort Sumter was not owned by South Carolina or any entity of South Carolina.
tarting with Fort Sumter is a very misleading place to start because it ignores the causes of secession.
If that is truly your starting point then you have to say the civil war was caused by the north not abandoning their fort in the confederacy.
The federal government has less of a claim to Naval Station Guantanamo Bay now than the federal government had to Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861. The former is leased by the feds; the latter was owned the feds. What do think would happen if the Cubans tried to evict us or started shelling our rented Gitmo property?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:24 am to Salviati
If you study American history from the beginning then I don’t see how one can come to any conclusion other than states have the right to secede. It shouldn’t matter if it is for a moral reason or not. They have the right to secede. Read up on Lysander spooner. He was a northerner and an abolitionist long before it was fashionable. Despite this he still supported the south’s right to secede. The reality is I can’t see how slavery would have lasted much longer. There’s no telling what the American south would be like today if they had won. Maybe better, maybe worse.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:26 am to justaniceguy
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The reality is I can’t see how slavery would have lasted much longer. There’s no telling what the American south would be like today if they had won. Maybe better, maybe worse.
Money fuels wars, you raise a point often overlooked.
South had resources, less manufacturing
North had manufacturing, needed resources
North won and most poverty in the South today ties to theft of resources post war. Kentucky was neutral yet after the war they were dispossed as tho they were a Confederate state. All that coal to this day in the state is still held by a handful of families in NYC and Philly. They do not own a single mine nor to they employ a penny of capital on plant, equipment, or labor.
Had the South won, they would have shipped their raw goods to Europe, not the North.
In time they would move down the integration lane to middleman, producer, and retail. That would mean skilled labor and that would not be accomplished with slaves. Look at China today and cheap labor. At some time industrialization moves slave level jobs to a more demanding labor and subsequent fights for their share of the profits.
I have pondered if at some point "cheap basic labor" moved to the more traditional slavery seen throughout human history. Greeks and Romans built empires on slavery but it was based on the individual. A person in debt, no matter how high in the food chain, became a slave. Prisoners of war became slaves but they could buy their freedom.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:30 am to justaniceguy
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The civil war was about states rights.
#1 right....to own slaves
I saw through your smokescreen
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:46 am to The Sultan of Swine
Not exclusively, no. Hard to make the argument that it was when 5 slave states fought for the Union. Ironically, the LAST slave state admitted to the Union was approved by Lincoln himself; West Virginia in 1863.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 7:52 pm to The Sultan of Swine
I don’t for a minute think most northerners cared one bit about slaves.
There were abolitionists everywhere.
There were abolitionists everywhere.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 1:47 pm to The Sultan of Swine
It was about states rights……to own slaves
Posted on 9/25/23 at 2:07 am to LafourcheTiger
The last one was about sates rights, to own slaves yes.
The next one will be about the governments rights to own them.
The next one will be about the governments rights to own them.
Posted on 9/25/23 at 9:05 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Slavery was a big part of it, but in many ways it’s was a continuation of the Whisky Rebellion, (which was lead by my ancestors), which was really a continuation of the argument over the US Constitution.
A weak federal government and taxation
A weak federal government and taxation
Posted on 9/26/23 at 8:31 am to Go_Dawgs
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The next one will be about the governments rights to own them.
Say it louder.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:42 am to The Sultan of Swine
Only one cause. Stupid self serving politicians.
Rinse and repeat. Never a shortage of these morons or their voters.
Our elected officials are truly representative of the people that voted for them. Sad state of affairs.
Rinse and repeat. Never a shortage of these morons or their voters.
Our elected officials are truly representative of the people that voted for them. Sad state of affairs.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 2:35 pm to justaniceguy
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The civil war was about states rights
The secession amendments from many states
(Texas SC and MS) let you know it was about.....their right for slavery. Sorry for your loss
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