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You diminishing someones serving make you feel better?
You simply saying irrelevant, doesn't make it so, especially if you EVER DID IT!!


It is irrelevant to show how "American" a person is.
I am going with the Russian robots, a robot that mimics a falling down drunk Muscovite has to be an endless source of hilarity.
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You are the type of person that marketing folk cream their jeans over


While I get your point, there is nothing on that list that is not extremely good quality, objectively better than most in the sector, and lots of them are lifetime purchases.

For example, I have carried my Halliburton briefcase for 33 years now, that's over 8000 days of use. It is still distinctive and still looks and performs like it did when I bought it. I only cried once.
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El Salvador treats prisoners the way they should be treated. Prison is intended to prevent crime and serve out there penance. We will strip you of everything else. Including your hair.


If this were the why does El Salvador, which treats prisoners the right way, have the highest incarceration rate in the world?

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Prisoners get what they get. No extra rights. We keep you alive in a cage.


That might work well for prisoners who will never be released back into society, but incredibly myopic regarding the ones that will. Most people who eschew all attempts at rehabilitation to the point of bending or breaking the 8A don't assign much value to the loss of freedom.

I am not suggesting prison should be a resort, but if you do nothing but cage and warehouse them they will simply be worse when they are released.
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I think they were very deliberate about what was in the document, and so do you, right?


Yes, but it does not advance your argument as you see it. There are two reasons you put a "fact" into a filing. One, it is part of the foundation of your legal argument. Two, it prevents the opposition from using its absence against you. An example of something similar within the four corners of the filing is the email from Verge in response to the memorializing email. They are using the fact he didn't take issue with anything other than who would contact them as not having issue with anything else stated in the email. The majority of the words in the filing are not relevant to their argument, which is relatively simple; they are there to forestall potential arguments, even though they would likely be expanding the scope of what is being ask of the judge. Again, I do not think it is salient to the specific question they are asking the court to decide, but there in anticipation of a wider scope.

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Seems pretty confident. So they went through every written communication he has for an entire month, but they are adding arbitrary statements in a short court document? I’m not sure I agree.


You don't have to agree but this is the most confident I am on anything I have said. If the attorneys were aware of any written communication that even hinted at for cause firing, they would have made a preemptive argument in the filing. They went to great lengths to discuss Kelly's entire coaching CV and accomplishments to head off some very unlikely arguments but left out written communication about for cause firing, please. If there had been any written communication of the intent to fire for cause they would have included it and made the argument why it was not contract compliant, simple as. In the end, everyone knows the truth is they fired him for on filed perfomance of the team, the timing alone gets you 90% of the way there. Everyone also knows he was told he was fired in the Woodward et al meeting. Note there is a difference between something that anyone with a brain knows and what is proveable but the real truth is always wind in your sails.

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I know, I’m saying it’s a theoretical document that that would operate like a MOU to terminate the employment contract.


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Yes I understand, but virtually any contract can be mutually terminated. Since the employment agreement doesn’t outline that, or related procedures, an alternative agreement would need to replace it. Do you not agree?


I agree they can call it anything they like and agree to anything they care to agree upon. It is totally irrelevant since there was clearly not a meeting of the minds on this mythical mutual separation. The whole reason we are here is to dispense with the notion that for cause is a possibility. If they wanted to go down that road they shouldn't have fired him emotionally and went through the contractually required process. All the discussion around this in the media and on the internet has them rethinking what they should do but that are using their brain instead of their heart about a month too late.

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Thanks. Stone Pigman is a good firm, I know how much they cost


Now I am intrigued. What is their billing rate for associates and partners?



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I do think it matters, and Kelly's legal team is very explicit about the first time it was discussed.


IMO it does not. It was mentioned in the filing as a simple statement of fact but has no substantive import. The reality is Woodward could have brought him in hi office on Oct 1 and told him they were going to fire him for cause and it makes no difference. There was not WRITTEN notice given and the cure/mitigate period that follows. Again I know there was no written notice because there is zero chance they would have filed this specific action if there had been any written notice. Verbal notice is simply irrelevant.

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Which brings me back to my original point, why did negotiations break down, and when was this actually first discussed?


The negotiations broke down the minute for cause was mentioned and the suit was filed as soon as possible afterwards. Those two words were uttered and the moment they were the negotiations came to a halt. That is a nuclear option and you can't negotiate with it out there at least when Kelly does not think it is on the table.

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If LSU made an offer during the meeting he was fired like the lawsuit says, it should have been agreed to at that time that the termination would not be with or without cause, but a mutual separation.


There is really no such thing as "mutual separation" allowed under the K. It is either a firing for cause, firing without cause, or the employee quits. In each case the parties have differing obligations. Technically there are other issues eg force majeur, death or disability but those aren't applicable here. They can call the firing anything they want in the public sphere but in the legal side it is either with cause or without.

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Curious, what do you think is the compensation structure?


100% hourly. Retainer paid then worked against with monthly bills. Skadden probably bills associates at around $1000 an hour and partners at $2500 and up. I don't know about the cost of Stone Pigman I don't practice in LA and Stone Pigman isn't a AmLaw 200 so I can't even guess.
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When do you think those words were first used?


While it is stated in the filing as Nov 10 lets assume they gave no date and I had to guess.

I wouldn't guess because it really doesn't matter IMO. I don't think LSU is in a good position to argue he wasn't fired for multiple reasons and the possible lack of authority of Woodward won't fly either. The reality is if they fired him without giving the contractually required written notice to cure/mitigate then in most instances they lost that claim. I feel extremely confident that they never gave the proper notice of firing with cause, because if they did, there is no way that they would file for this specific declaratory judgment without mentioning it and arguing it was not adequate. Don't forget Kelly employed the 5th largest firm in the WORLD for this and having litigated against Skadden multiple times, they are not going to miss this.

I say the public facts make a very strong case he was fired. The filing of that specific prayer for declaratory judgment strongly indicates firing for cause has been used in the negotiations. If it were me and my client had not been given adequate notice and cure/mitigate period I would pull out of negotiations and get the court to determine that fact. As long as the Damascus sword of for cause hangs out there the negotiations simply can't go on in good faith, the parties will be too far apart.

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The company did a fund-raising campaign in 2023 and again in 2025?!?


Funding rounds for fast-growing businesses are often at 12-18 month intervals. You basically start working on the next series shortly after a series is funded as long as you are meeting goals. VCs don't like to give a company too much runway at a single time.
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I get all of this, I'm trying to piece together how it got there. But I do disagree to an extent, I do think that given the situation, this isn't exactly "basic" commercial litigation, Kelly should have maybe tried to negotiate before putting this narrative out there.


The reasoning behind the filing is abundantly clear. There is a better than 99% chance the words "for cause" were used by an agent of LSU as leverage in the negotiations. There is simply no other logical reason to file asking for a simple declarative judgment on the issue of for cause firing than it has been mentioned or suggested.

I will agree this is somewhat unusual since in 30 years of contract litigation I have never seen someone locked out, someone hired to do their job, press releases and press conferences held regarding a changing of the guard without the type of termination being already communicated in writing to the former employee. The main reason being that firing for cause normally requires a very specific procedure outlined in the K and if it hasn't been followed then it can't be retroactive save some very unusual situations like embezzlement.

About the only thing to do in Port Allen is board dive/snorkling or tour boats. Glass beach used to be cool but it was shite the last time I was there. Lots of good shore diving and snorkling in the general area though. Oddly enough there are cane fields all to the east of Port Allen.




Cuban sammy, roasted taters, and Diet Coke.
I watch mine on the cameras. Right now, two are chilling the porch and the other two are chasing something, probably a squirrel.

re: Deer are getting smarter

Posted by Obtuse1 on 11/13/25 at 9:02 am to
Where is the deer behind the .300 RUM?
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LSU could make the argument that adultery qualifies as moral turpitude, which is listed as a for cause reason for termination in his contract.


Do you have any legal precedent for this in LA? I have never seen adultery used to void a personal performance contract's moral turpitude clause.
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Why would anyone smoke marijuana these days?


I am pretty sure the passenger was vaping.

re: Jeep Wrangler Commando - Amazing

Posted by Obtuse1 on 11/13/25 at 12:26 am to
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Jeep is offering 250 of these to active duty or veterans.


249, one goes to an auction that anyone can buy.

re: Weather Question

Posted by Obtuse1 on 11/12/25 at 8:04 pm to
The one I saw a couple of days ago had the entire south as warmer than normal.
My grandnephew is staying with us this week because his parents are out of town. We have been building a jewelry box for his mother for Christmas. Teaching him to use hand tools like my BCTW block plane with depth skids to thickness the holly for stringing has been really fun. I think before we started he just thought all the "big machines" just did the work for you.

The top is going to be a traditional line and berry inlay similar to this:



The manliest thing I have done today is having to resist the urge to just take over and do it for him. I am not sure I will be able to resist it when it comes time to cut the mortises for the quadrant hinges.
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Skadden Arps vs. Jeff Landry


JFC talk about bringing an M1 Abrams to a knife fight.

This is the very definition of:

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Trump was thin and fit until he was well past middle age.


This was him at 50

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Show me a picture of these percentages please! I need to see where I fit in.


Video was in my feed yesterday: