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Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:53 am
I'm pretty excited for the future of this program and I think we still have some good pieces so far in our recruiting class. But damn this could possibly be the most disappointing signing day for Mizzou that I could possibly imagine. I get that stars aren't everything, but I don't know how we're getting out-recruited by Vandy and Rutgers.
I think it's pathetic that we're sitting around getting excited about guys who are low 3* and 2* guys while the likes of Trout, Perkins, and Goodrich are looking down at us as they sign to USC/Oklahoma, etc. Remember when we were in play to sign some of these guys? I did not expect us to sign all of them by any means, but maybe sign at least one guy in the top 5 of the Missouri 10 (or whatever they're called). This is a once in a lifetime chance for Mizzou to have a realistic shot at getting some 4/5* recruits that are in-state and we're blowing it.
I understand that after the way we started the season it was understandable for Trout/Perkins/etc to stop considering us. But damn I am still frustrated about this. If this program is ever going to get to where most reasonable fans think it could get (guaranteed bowl team most years), then can we really get by on being 3* U? I only have faith in BO because he has already found some diamonds in the rough (Crockett, Mason, Garrett, Rountree) but how long does it have to go on like this?
I'm just wondering if anyone else feels this as well
I think it's pathetic that we're sitting around getting excited about guys who are low 3* and 2* guys while the likes of Trout, Perkins, and Goodrich are looking down at us as they sign to USC/Oklahoma, etc. Remember when we were in play to sign some of these guys? I did not expect us to sign all of them by any means, but maybe sign at least one guy in the top 5 of the Missouri 10 (or whatever they're called). This is a once in a lifetime chance for Mizzou to have a realistic shot at getting some 4/5* recruits that are in-state and we're blowing it.
I understand that after the way we started the season it was understandable for Trout/Perkins/etc to stop considering us. But damn I am still frustrated about this. If this program is ever going to get to where most reasonable fans think it could get (guaranteed bowl team most years), then can we really get by on being 3* U? I only have faith in BO because he has already found some diamonds in the rough (Crockett, Mason, Garrett, Rountree) but how long does it have to go on like this?
I'm just wondering if anyone else feels this as well
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:17 am to Mizzou59
This class is basically where Mizzou has always been. Mizzou is almost always somewhere between 30-50. That’s where we are at.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 am to Mizzou59
Our bag man needs to step up...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:28 am to Mizzou59
We are never going to recruit like the SEC heavyweights on a consistent basis. We don't have the fan support, prestige, location, facilities, or staff to do so. It is what is, we just have to get excited during those occasional years when the pieces all come together and we have a real shot at finishing at the top of the conference.
These are exactly the reasons that we should really put more emphasis on basketball than we have in recent years. I think we could truly be a hoops heavyweight if we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot every 5-10 years in the post-Norm era.
These are exactly the reasons that we should really put more emphasis on basketball than we have in recent years. I think we could truly be a hoops heavyweight if we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot every 5-10 years in the post-Norm era.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:29 am to Mizzou59
Nothing wrong with your sentiment. It’s very reasonable. If you look back at the threads surrounding the recruitment of the Missouri 10, the amazing possibilities were being lauded. But the team, for a multitude of reasons, shite the bed out of the gate this year.
Next year.
Next year.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:31 am to the808bass
All things considered not sure what most expected recruiting wise.
Horrid start to the year.. Not having a full coaching staff.
This years class is what it is.
I think we start judging next year at this time.
Horrid start to the year.. Not having a full coaching staff.
This years class is what it is.
I think we start judging next year at this time.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:41 am to Mizzou59
I think your sentiment is dead on. We should be recruiting with Kentucky, Arkansas, USCe. Recruiting is selling and Mizzou does not possess that dynamic. GPs staff wasn't and neither is BO's. Even the fans have the attitude of "this is where we have been and this is where we will stay." There is no real emotion about being better, we count victory in not regressing.
As luck would have it, the line between top recruits and 3 stars is getting narrower. 7 on 7, weight rooms and specialty offenses are really helping all kids advance. We see that in Perkins and Daniels. For my money, I like Daniels even though Rivals tells me Perkins is better. Was Rountree really a 2 star? I don't think so. So the tepid Mizzou attitude won't hurt the team.
As luck would have it, the line between top recruits and 3 stars is getting narrower. 7 on 7, weight rooms and specialty offenses are really helping all kids advance. We see that in Perkins and Daniels. For my money, I like Daniels even though Rivals tells me Perkins is better. Was Rountree really a 2 star? I don't think so. So the tepid Mizzou attitude won't hurt the team.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:48 am to Mizzou59
this class will finish right around 30. That's not a nightmare, especially considering we haven't won anything...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:48 am to surgicalvenom
Again, you guys are placing too much value on stars.
The elite guys are easy to identify but after that it is a literal crap shoot. You can't say we aren't recruiting better than UK or Arkansas because we won't know that for 2-3 years.
It's about identification and development. Always has been, always will be.
Go watch Jataorian Hansford's tape. Watch him cover slot receivers (and actually be able to do it well) at 6'4" 225 lbs. tell me why an athlete like that is a low 3*. Tell me why Jalen Knox or Kam Scott (who is dominating the TX state playoffs) is a 3* and Cameron Brown who is smaller and slower is a 4*? Tell me why Simi Bakare averages 9 ypc in 6A Texas football and is a 2*?
The top 100, 150 or so players stand out. They are easy to see for sure. After that, it's a minimally educated guess AT BEST.
The elite guys are easy to identify but after that it is a literal crap shoot. You can't say we aren't recruiting better than UK or Arkansas because we won't know that for 2-3 years.
It's about identification and development. Always has been, always will be.
Go watch Jataorian Hansford's tape. Watch him cover slot receivers (and actually be able to do it well) at 6'4" 225 lbs. tell me why an athlete like that is a low 3*. Tell me why Jalen Knox or Kam Scott (who is dominating the TX state playoffs) is a 3* and Cameron Brown who is smaller and slower is a 4*? Tell me why Simi Bakare averages 9 ypc in 6A Texas football and is a 2*?
The top 100, 150 or so players stand out. They are easy to see for sure. After that, it's a minimally educated guess AT BEST.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:51 am to JesusQuintana
you do need balance tho. Recruits DO look at current recruits rankings when looking at teams.
I'm all for have 2 and 3* recruits who look like they were passed over for no reason, but you do need a few 4* to even the ship.
I'm all for have 2 and 3* recruits who look like they were passed over for no reason, but you do need a few 4* to even the ship.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:33 am to JesusQuintana
Do you even bother to read the entire post before you comment? You just wrote the same sentiment as I did. Do you always have to be so eager to offer a contrary point? fricking tiresome.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:50 am to Mizzou59
I don’t have stats on this, but it seems like we put players in the NFL at a higher rate than our recruiting rankings would suggest.
Some of our lowest star rated recruits turn out to be our better players. Recruit for the system.
Sure I’d love all the top guys in the state, but look at guys like Larry Rountree and Damarea Crockett. 3 Star guys producing.
Some of our lowest star rated recruits turn out to be our better players. Recruit for the system.
Sure I’d love all the top guys in the state, but look at guys like Larry Rountree and Damarea Crockett. 3 Star guys producing.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:52 am to mizslu314
I think we will get some 4* players by February. I like the early signing period. Especially if we have good talent evaluators. We can sign our core before they go up in ratings, and before the blue bloods decide to poach. I think the top 150 or so are going to wait till Feb. anyway. If we can frost our cake with 3 or 4 studs in February, like Thompson and a few other surprises, it will make our class look even better.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:28 pm to BreakawayZou83
quote:never really bought into this. bama was recruiting like shite before Saben showed up. the right guy could get us into the top 25.
We are never going to recruit like the SEC heavyweights on a consistent basis.
And I don't understand how we didn't get any of the Missouri 10. JQ said we were going to get like 8.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:39 pm to MIZ_COU
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bama was recruiting like shite
LOL, no they weren't.
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right guy could get us in the top 25
Can you please lay out the evidence that shows the #25 class is empirically better than the #35 class?
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JQ said we were going to get like 8
Try not to be stupid for once.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:01 pm to MIZ_COU
None of the classes that made up Sabans first team were lower than 18th.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:12 pm to navynuke
Mizzou is probably never going to be better than 7th or 8th in the SEC in recruiting. Mizzou doesn’t have the tradition or proximity to elite talent to do so.
We had the Tiger 10 this year, but a school like Georgia has 100-150 similar recruits every year.
We had the Tiger 10 this year, but a school like Georgia has 100-150 similar recruits every year.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:16 pm to MIZ_COU
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JQ said we were going to get like 8.
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Whatever.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:20 pm to wubilli
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Mizzou is almost always somewhere between 30-50.
It’s difficult for us to be below 50. There’s only 65 Power 5 teams. To be ranked 30-50th is to be in the bottom 50% of P5 recruiting.
To fall in the 50-65 rank would put us in the bottom 25% of P5 recruiting. We can pretend that wouldn’t affect us all day long and it still will.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:29 pm to JesusQuintana
Cameron Brown isn't slower and smaller than Kam Scott. C. Brown is very athletic with good top end speed.
I agree that Mizzou needs to get more skilled players to add to the under-the-radar players to bring out balance and help them to compete with some of the bluebloods and occasionally beat them. Most Mizzou fans settle for mediocracy and they don't demand taking this team to the next level. Pinkel "We do what we do" Bullcrap!
I use to be very critical of Mizzou's recruiting, but the usuals always made excuses and said that I was anti-Mizzou. So, I just enjoy Mizzou football and let the usuals make their excuses and cry when Mizzou struggles against better teams.
We only got 1 player from the Mizzou 10 so far with M. Thompson still sitting there and that's a total embarrassment to Mizzou football and BO.
I agree that Mizzou needs to get more skilled players to add to the under-the-radar players to bring out balance and help them to compete with some of the bluebloods and occasionally beat them. Most Mizzou fans settle for mediocracy and they don't demand taking this team to the next level. Pinkel "We do what we do" Bullcrap!
I use to be very critical of Mizzou's recruiting, but the usuals always made excuses and said that I was anti-Mizzou. So, I just enjoy Mizzou football and let the usuals make their excuses and cry when Mizzou struggles against better teams.
We only got 1 player from the Mizzou 10 so far with M. Thompson still sitting there and that's a total embarrassment to Mizzou football and BO.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 1:30 pm
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