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Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:05 pm to kilo
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:05 pm to kilo
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quote: You're going to be disappointed. eh, we will see. His recruiting better pick up or it will come back to haunt him. You can wave your hands all you want saying otherwise but...
LOL.
It's like beating your heads against the wall here anytime a recruiting discussion comes up.
MIZZOU RECRUITS IN THE 25-40 RANGE. THATS HOW IT IS AND HOW IT WILL BE.
What MIGHT come back to haunt him would be a lack of identifying fits, finding under recruited talent, or developing the talent he does get. Or he'll do good in those areas and he'll succeed. Recruiting ranking will never make or break a coach here, or anywhere really since the schools recruit where they recruit.
The you have this very typical scenario. Chas Bailey has been a 4* this entire recruiting cycle and now a day before signing day...all of a sudden he isn't.
James Foster was never a 4* the entire time he was committed here. Now that he's decommited and looks like he is headed to LSU....he's a 4*.
Hmmm....no way these sites pander to bigger fanbases with more subscribers is there?
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:32 pm to Mizsioux
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Then it looks like we end up mid 30's per usual.
Do you understand that mid 30s is right in the middle of P5 programs?
Do you also understand that the only SEC teams behind us are Vandy and the coaching changes? Several of them will leap us - Florida, Tenner. And we will be bottom three in the rankings ahead of a program in NCAA penalty and Vandy (maybe).
If you’re fine with that, say it. Don’t say, “It doesn’t matter.” Because it does matter.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:35 pm to the808bass
In what sense does it matter?
Are you saying we'll never be able to beat the teams that "recruit better"? Obviously that's nonsense.
Are you saying it's an extreme longshot that we'll win the SEC or a NC? Well, no shite.
Expand on how it matter and how much.
Are you saying we'll never be able to beat the teams that "recruit better"? Obviously that's nonsense.
Are you saying it's an extreme longshot that we'll win the SEC or a NC? Well, no shite.
Expand on how it matter and how much.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:41 pm to JesusQuintana
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MIZZOU RECRUITS IN THE 25-40 RANGE. THATS HOW IT IS AND HOW IT WILL BE.
You’re glossing over some things here. You’re pretending the 25 is one data point. It’s not. It’s a composite of 20 some data points versus 80 or so other sets of twentyish data points.
So pointing out individual players who over/underachieve is made pretty irrelevant over the course of time.
Secondly, there’s a big difference between 25th and 40th. Maybe not one year. But I could take a team that’s got four years of 25th ranked recruits and feel pretty good about going against the team that ranked 40th four years in a row.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:45 pm to Mizsioux
The problem I see with this class is we couldn't even lock down a few from one of the better in-state classes in recent years.
That's troubling. That's on the staff. That should worry all Mizzou fans. This program isnt going anywhere until we are able to secure the top players in Missouri. We are the only gad dan P5 school in the state for fricks sake.
That's troubling. That's on the staff. That should worry all Mizzou fans. This program isnt going anywhere until we are able to secure the top players in Missouri. We are the only gad dan P5 school in the state for fricks sake.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:48 pm to JesusQuintana
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It's like beating your heads against the wall here anytime a recruiting discussion comes up.
You are so predictable.
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What MIGHT come back to haunt him would be a lack of identifying fits, finding under recruited talent, or developing the talent he does get. Or he'll do good in those areas and he'll succeed. Recruiting ranking will never make or break a coach here, or anywhere really since the schools recruit where they recruit.
Recruiting absolutely makes or breaks coaches, especially at middling programs like Missouri. WTF are you even talking about?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:51 pm to the808bass
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Secondly, there’s a big difference between 25th and 40th.
But there isn't. That's not true. Even using the recruiting systems obviously flawed rankings the difference between our average ranking (#38) and Miss St (#25) is 86.88 to 84.65. Inconsequential. We both have the same number of commitments. It's picking nits...AT BEST.
The real issue at hand here is that you (and others) don't like Odom. I don't recall you bagging GP for classes in the 30s. You can't bitch about the team's on field performance at this point, so this is the last area you can take swipes at him when he's recruiting at and around Mizzou's historical level.
I don't know where you all think this magical "recruit better" pill is, but it doesn't exist. Schools recruit in their general area regardless of coach.
Bama will always recruit well. Rutgers won't.
Ohio St, USC, Texas. Always will. Illinois, Purdue, Wake Forest. They don't.
I don't get why this is so hard for so many of you to swallow.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:54 pm to JesusQuintana
It matters in that it is probably as good a predictor as any single factor of the likelihood of on-field success of a team.
That’s the reason Barry pulled out all the stops in recruiting this Missouri class. You told us at the time what a brilliant idea it was to recruit them all with great fanfare. Now that none of them are coming, we are told by the same person that it doesn’t matter.
It doesn’t matter today. No wins or losses were put on our record today. And the W-L record will ultimately determine success. See the first paragraph.
That’s the reason Barry pulled out all the stops in recruiting this Missouri class. You told us at the time what a brilliant idea it was to recruit them all with great fanfare. Now that none of them are coming, we are told by the same person that it doesn’t matter.
It doesn’t matter today. No wins or losses were put on our record today. And the W-L record will ultimately determine success. See the first paragraph.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:55 pm to the808bass
That wasn't your argument. You gave some stupid argument about how we were only above 5 power 5 schools and one of them was stanford which made it even more ridiculous. I'm not even a huge Odom fan. I just don't get holding him to standards no one at this school has ever met.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:58 pm to JesusQuintana
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But there isn't. That's not true.
It’s like arguing with a woman. You can’t even read for fricking comprehension.
4 years of the 40th ranked classes will produce a markedly different team than 4 years of the 25th ranked team.
I’m not putting any other points in this post so as to not confuse you.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:59 pm to Mizsioux
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You gave some stupid argument about how we were only above 5 power 5 schools
I’m not sure of your point. That was absolutely true at the time. Are you saying that we haven’t asked other coaches to recruit better than the 10th percentile of P5 teams?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:00 pm to kilo
You're wrong. That's what I'm talking about.
Identification and development makes or breaks coaches at schools like Mizzou. Always has. Always will.
Not "stars".
Identification and development makes or breaks coaches at schools like Mizzou. Always has. Always will.
Not "stars".
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:02 pm to Mizsioux
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I just don't get holding him to standards no one at this school has ever met.
This is the best point in this thread. Mizzou’s history in the Rivals era for recruiting is exactly what BO has done so far.
It’s possible that with a couple of winning seasons and the SEZ project complete that in 2020 and beyond Mizzou will start recruiting better. But it has never been done consistently
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:03 pm to the808bass
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But there isn't. That's not true.
It’s like arguing with a woman. You can’t even read for fricking comprehension.
4 years of the 40th ranked classes will produce a markedly different team than 4 years of the 25th ranked team.
I’m not putting any other points in this post so as to not confuse you.
I comprehend what you are saying just fine...you're just wrong.
You are to have me believe that some geek behind a computer screen can accurately rank the difference between the 500th best kid and the 700th. Lol, come on.
I mean, we've already established what this is all about but let's deal in some sense of reality here.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:03 pm to the808bass
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Are you saying that we haven’t asked other coaches to recruit better than the 10th percentile of P5 teams?
When has Mizzou finished in the 10th percentile? It’s more about not panicking in September about recruiting.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:04 pm to JesusQuintana
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You are to have me believe that some geek behind a computer screen can accurately rank the difference between the 500th best kid and the 700th. Lol, come on.
Thanks for proving my earlier point again. I think part of your argument is simply based on an inability to process data. It happens.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:05 pm to the808bass
Since 2012
Our Rivals team ranking 31, 41, 34, 27, 47, 49, and right now 33
What do you want from him in his second year. You literally can't face reality and that first class has the NUMBER ONE player in the country in it.
Our Rivals team ranking 31, 41, 34, 27, 47, 49, and right now 33
What do you want from him in his second year. You literally can't face reality and that first class has the NUMBER ONE player in the country in it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:05 pm to wubilli
We haven’t. Do you think we finish higher or lower than 33rd? I’m going to say pretty confidently that we finish lower.
Are you ok with recruiting in the bottom 50th percentile of P5 schools? It’s ok to say it.
Are you ok with recruiting in the bottom 50th percentile of P5 schools? It’s ok to say it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:07 pm to Mizsioux
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What do you want from him in his second year.
Success is determined by identifying and capitalizing on unique opportunities. We had an opportunity this year to have a really good class with primarily in-state talent. That opportunity won’t exist every year.
It won’t make or break him. But it’s a huge missed opportunity.
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