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Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
GP had 1 or 2 seasons with recruiting ranking between 20-30, every other season he classes ranked between 30-50.
So far BO’s classes have been ranked 43, 43 and this class is currently at 33.
So far BO’s classes have been ranked 43, 43 and this class is currently at 33.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:33 pm to the808bass
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Stars matter. Here's the case. 1. They matter at the player level. Blue chips are almost 1,000 percent more likely to be drafted in the first round. You can see the star ratings drop throughout the NFL Draft. And five-stars are about 33 times as likely to be All-Americans as two-stars are.
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They matter at the team level. Matt Hinton broke the country into five tiers of recruiting might, finding the higher-recruiting schools to consistently beat their lessers virtually across the board. Stewart Mandel:
Power 5 teams (of which there are 65) that consistently recruit Top 20 classes have a 60 percent chance of becoming a Top 20 program and a 35 percent chance of regularly inhabiting the Top 10. By contrast, Power 5 teams that finish outside the Top 20 in recruiting have a lower than 18 percent chance of fielding Top 20 teams and just a 6.7 percent chance of reaching the Top 10.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:44 pm to the808bass
You are showing nothing more than what I said. The top players are easy to identify. It's once you get past that it becomes more of a crapshoot. Is there a difference between the 27 class and the 36 class? Of course there is a difference between the 8 class and the 36 class. No one has ever said any different.
And again, if you arent going to be pleased with anything other than top 10 classes then find a different school, because it's not happening.
We had easily a top 10 roster in 13, probably top 5. That's all on the backs of classes in the high 20s, mid 30s. It can be done, it's identification and development. Always will be. We continually have that argument here and it never changes.
The "recruit better!!!" crowd simply doesn't live in reality.
And again, if you arent going to be pleased with anything other than top 10 classes then find a different school, because it's not happening.
We had easily a top 10 roster in 13, probably top 5. That's all on the backs of classes in the high 20s, mid 30s. It can be done, it's identification and development. Always will be. We continually have that argument here and it never changes.
The "recruit better!!!" crowd simply doesn't live in reality.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:33 pm to JesusQuintana
Tell that to Clemson who use to recruit on the same level as Mizzou in the early 2000's and back. They ended up changing their brand and started hiring coaches who were recruiters from bluebloods. I proposed that Mizzou hired position coaches from bluebloods to help with the recruiting, especially Bama, Ohio St. LSU.etc. Especially on the defensive side. They could consistently be in the 18-25 range rank-wise.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:55 pm to Zou brownmajic
Dabo took over a team built on 4 top 20 classes. Bowden got fired for underachieving, not under recruiting.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:58 pm to Zou brownmajic
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Tell that to Clemson
David Morrison wrote a couple of really good articles, that showed why Mizzou could not be a Clemson type of program.
Mizzou’s only shot at becoming like Clemson would be.
If Mizzou were to generate an extra $50 million in athletic revenue, shut down several Olympic sports to create that extra revenue.
Mizzou would also need the state of Missouri to go from producing 8-12 P5 level players yearly, to producing 80-100 such players.
It would also help if neighboring states would start producing similar numbers of players yearly.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:02 pm to wubilli
Nevermind the fact that Clemson is 2 hours from Atlanta
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:07 pm to navynuke
Right Mizzou fans were excited about the Tiger 10. Every year Clemson has at least 6-8 times as many recruits of similar quality within 2 hours of Campus.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:40 pm to Zou brownmajic
Clemson always has recruited pretty well. Another awful example.
There may be a slight variance from guy to guy, but for the overwhelming most part...you recruit to the school you are employed at. There is a reason the same schools win year after year. It's not the coaches. It's the money behind the program, it's the fans, it's the facilities, it's the proximity to recruits. These things don't change.
How many top 10 classes you think Odom could recruit at Alabama?
There may be a slight variance from guy to guy, but for the overwhelming most part...you recruit to the school you are employed at. There is a reason the same schools win year after year. It's not the coaches. It's the money behind the program, it's the fans, it's the facilities, it's the proximity to recruits. These things don't change.
How many top 10 classes you think Odom could recruit at Alabama?
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:04 pm to JesusQuintana
Im not saying “recruit better.”
I’m saying the rankings matter.
We aren’t a blue blood and never will be. But we don’t need to lie to ourselves and say it doesn’t matter.
I’m saying the rankings matter.
We aren’t a blue blood and never will be. But we don’t need to lie to ourselves and say it doesn’t matter.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:35 pm to Mizzou59
Another reason why Odom will be fired in the next year or two.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:38 pm to JesusQuintana
quote:but you are nothing but stupid shite for brains
Try not to be stupid for once.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:45 pm to the808bass
No one is saying it doesn't matter per se. There are varying levels of "matter" though.
It's a rigged system. Just the way it is. CFB is the most uneven playing field in all of sports.
The system can be bucked though. GP proved that. Maybe it's only once a decade, but it can happen. You have to have at least a borderline elite roster AND have things break right for you. That's what makes it so difficult at schools like Mizzou. It's very rare to get that type of roster, and even that alone isn't enough.
It's a rigged system. Just the way it is. CFB is the most uneven playing field in all of sports.
The system can be bucked though. GP proved that. Maybe it's only once a decade, but it can happen. You have to have at least a borderline elite roster AND have things break right for you. That's what makes it so difficult at schools like Mizzou. It's very rare to get that type of roster, and even that alone isn't enough.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:46 pm to Mizzou59
But we're getting 2*'s!!
I think stars only matter when Mizzou fans want them to matter.
List all of the 4 and 5 star kids that have come to Mizzou and tell me they are not almost always more skilled than 2* guys.
Richardson
TBJ
Maclin
Gabbert
Lock
Just to name 5 off the top of my head.
Stars do matter.
Now you take a 2* and put him in a system for 4 years there's a good chance he becomes a pretty good football player.
But dont sit there and tell me "stars" don't matter. If Mizzou could recruit in the top 20 they would be a top 20 team yearly.
Odom's entering year 3, I better start seeing some Juniors stand out because so far I'm pretty underwhelmed with his back 7 recruiting.
I think stars only matter when Mizzou fans want them to matter.
List all of the 4 and 5 star kids that have come to Mizzou and tell me they are not almost always more skilled than 2* guys.
Richardson
TBJ
Maclin
Gabbert
Lock
Just to name 5 off the top of my head.
Stars do matter.
Now you take a 2* and put him in a system for 4 years there's a good chance he becomes a pretty good football player.
But dont sit there and tell me "stars" don't matter. If Mizzou could recruit in the top 20 they would be a top 20 team yearly.
Odom's entering year 3, I better start seeing some Juniors stand out because so far I'm pretty underwhelmed with his back 7 recruiting.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:46 pm to the808bass
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I’m saying the rankings matter.
I don’t think that’s really a question. It’s more about can Mizzou recruit at that level?
Mizzou doesn’t have great tradition
Mizzou doesn’t have proximity to large numbers of 4 and 5 star recruits
Mizzou also generates less revenue and has fewer donors than those schools that consistently rank top 15-20 in recruiting rankings.
Because of those factors Mizzou has to out evaluate and out develop schools that rank in the elite range.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:47 pm to TigerTalker16
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Another reason why Odom will be fired in the next year or two.
You're going to be disappointed.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:49 pm to wubilli
If this Missouri High School class was say 2008 or 2009 does Mizzou get more of them? I'd think yes, because GP was a known and stable commodity.
No one really knows if Odom will survive next year, including recruits. Which is why we're currently poaching 2 star kids from fricking Tulane.
No one really knows if Odom will survive next year, including recruits. Which is why we're currently poaching 2 star kids from fricking Tulane.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:53 pm to JesusQuintana
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You're going to be disappointed.
eh, we will see. His recruiting better pick up or it will come back to haunt him. You can wave your hands all you want saying otherwise but...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:54 pm to TigerCruise
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But we're getting 2*'s!!
Except the only 2 star is Bakare. At least that’s according to 247.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:00 pm to wubilli
Don't argue with them. This is getting repetitive at this point. We beat Idaho and Uconn. Then it was let's see how we do the rest of the year. We started beating those teams. Then 808 gave some stupid stat of how we were only recruiting better than like 5 p5 programs and we said we'd end up mid 30's per usual. Then it looks like we end up mid 30's per usual. Then it's "We have a 2 star". There's hardly never been a missouri class that hasn't had a two star or close to it. At this point they're just looking to complain.
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